[sdiy] making 2 or 3 dollars an hour on synth building?

[Dan Snazelle]

so now the question is what to build next 

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> From: rdrake at data2action.com
> To: robert.lorentz at gmail.com; synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl; Barry.L.Klein at wdc.com
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] making 2 or 3 dollars an hour on synth building?
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:08:34 -0500
> CC: 
> 
> all,
> 
> my apologies to the list for the public expression of an opinion that should have been sent directly to dan, or (even better) kept to myself.  i've apologized to dan privately, as well, and no hard feelings.  i'm almost at an age where i can claim "grumpy old man" status, but that's no excuse.  sorry.  
> 
> i'll only add that this is a touchy area that's come up before in the SDIY community... and encourage anyone who aspires to expand their personal hobby into some level of for-profit activity to be sensitive.  more than once, i've seen folks take down valuable information and resources because they believed (justifiably or not) that their work was being commercially exploited without their permission.  like dan, i've benefited from the amazing generosity of the SDIY community, and i appreciate the mutual respect that we as a community generally show each other.  
> 
> sincerely
> bbob  
> 
>>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>From: robert.lorentz at gmail.com
>>To: Barry.L.Klein at wdc.com
>>Sent: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:17:45
>>
>>I agree completely with what Barry said - I myself
>>learned a huge
>>amount by reading all those threads.  I've been
>>watching SDIY for
>>coming up on a year now, and while I got a little
>>sick of the
>>troubleshooting threads, I learned a significant
>>amount through many
>>other threads
>>
>>To Dan -
>>
>>I find some people's negative comments a bit
>>misguided -- I only read
>>maybe 1/2 of your emails and it was VERY clear to
>>me that you were
>>building something for profit, and you made that
>>clear time and time
>>again.  I can say with certainty that you were up
>>front and clear
>>about what you were up to, and you should have no
>>regret
>>
>>Furthermore I disagree completely with the concept
>>that, even if you
>>sold your synth for $20k, you should pay anything
>>to the people that
>>helped you.  Any assistance, explanation,
>>troubleshooting, or ideas
>>passed around on an open forum such as the SDIY
>>list should be
>>considered as free information.  That is, free of
>>charge, and free to
>>use as you see fit.  I would hate to discouarge
>>people to offer help,
>>but on the same token if I have an idea for a
>>really special product I
>>am not going to post it on the internet.  If I do,
>>and someone runs
>>with it, they owe me nothing -- if anyone is in the
>>wrong it's myself.
>>
>>Finally, don't be discouraged or feel regret based
>>on using other
>>people's boards.  They SELL those PCB's, and you
>>purchased them.  If
>>you build a synth from it and sell it, that's your
>>own business
>>(unless they specifically prohibit that as a term
>>of sale, which I'm
>>not even sure they can).  This is what "systems
>>integrators" do all
>>the time.  I build flight simulators as my real
>>work - if we needed an
>>audio range LPF for a sim and happened to buy SDIY
>>Designer X's board
>>(built or PCB) and put it in our product, we would
>>certainly be in the
>>right.  It's done with every electronics product
>>out there, not sure
>>why it would be any different.  Did Roland pay Moog
>>(or even credit
>>him) when they used his ladders?  Do most people
>>today?  Unless you
>>are selling a design for WHAT IT IS (a filter, vco,
>>etc; not as part
>>of a system), I don't see you being under any
>>ethical pressure to give
>>credit - and CERTAINLY not financial consideration.
>> Note to
>>designers, if you have an issue with that, then
>>raise the price of
>>your boards to what you actually feel they are
>>worth to let go.
>>
>>
>>I don't intend to irritate people with these
>>thoughts, but I really
>>got a bad taste in my mouth from the tone people
>>took with Dan, and I
>>think it is beneficial to the situation to have an
>>objective party
>>(not him) note these thoughts.  My opinions may be
>>considered wrong in
>>the SDIY community, I'm just a musician and synth
>>electronics
>>enthusiast.
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>> I found your emails refreshing in that you were
>>asking questions that all
>>> beginners wonder about but are afraid to ask. 
>>Others besides you learned
>>> the answers by reading SDIY...  I think the value
>>of your exercise is the
>>> knowledge you and others gained.  You'll likely
>>regret selling the beast and
>>> someday build another.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>>
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