At 01:17 PM 12/2/2008, Robert Lorentz wrote: >... Did Roland pay Moog (or even credit >him) when they used his ladders? Do most people today? It was patented, so Roland couldn't have used it *exactly* without legal trouble. (Or did they?) The patent is now expired. IIRC, AFAIK, IMHO, IANAL, etc. John