[sdiy] Improving sound doctorin' - how about wiki?

[Kevin]

Hi,

I think your site is useful.  The only suggestion I would make, is  
that it might benefit from being in a wiki (not in wikipedia - on your  
own wiki site).  Then other people can improve it really easily, and  
it is more likely to keep itself up to date.

Wiki syntax is very simple to use and it's easy to make pages that  
look nice without any html knowledge.  So maintaining everything is  
much easier.

I don't know if there is a free wiki hosting site that you can use,  
though.  People who have a wiki generally have their own web server.

Maybe someone on the list could help you set up such a wiki?  Or maybe  
one already exists that needs content to be added to it.

Thanks,
Kevin

On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Bob Weigel wrote:

> Maybe I'm just too stupid to *get* the 'hard truth'.
>
> When I help people on things I'm good at....they usually come away  
> with this 'gee..there's someone lending me help in an area I'm weak  
> in.  They took what I DID have right..and BUILT on it and we came  
> out ahead!"
>
> INstead..it seems I'm dealing with some different types who are just  
> saying "It's all garbage. "  Did I offend you guys in some way at  
> some time or something?  The responses seem..kind of semi- 
> constructive but more bent towards insult overall...what's up?
>
> FOR EXAMPLE:
>
> Define 'unusable content'.  AND SUGGEST A PLAN AS TO HOW YOU WOULD  
> REMEDY the problem.  Otherwise...I'm not seeing anything but people  
> who did nothing about the glaring problem that INSPIRED the  
> construction of this page in the first place... and they just sit  
> back and throw things at the person who tried but maybe wasn't the  
> best qualified to do the page itself.
>
> WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER TO...just offer me constructive help on how  
> to fix problems LIKE THE PAGE HAS BEEN BECKONING PEOPLE TO DO ALL  
> ALONG??
> DIsorganized.  Crud...sorry Johannes in SOME ways it's *very*  
> organized.  Rather than a sprawl of information like one of the  
> aforementioned pages, you get hit right up front wiht a list of  
> manufacterers.  So some..normal person who is looking for a  
> particular synthesizer usually can click on the right one there.   
> Then there's all the synths they made that are out of recent  
> production pretty much... problem there?  No just click on the one  
> you want....
>
> THen you get a page that is the same as all the other pages so that  
> if you are remotely USED to using it your eye immediately goes to  
> the info you want and you click and you're there.
>
> Unless it's a dead link or something that I count on people to let  
> me know about.  What do you expect me to sit here clicking links  
> every day to make sure they all work?  Sorry I usually figure that  
> someone will be kind enough to just email me and most of the pages  
> HAVE a contact link at the bottom.
>
> So in some ways it's very organized.  However there are many things  
> on there and the question 'what do you want to focus on' comes into  
> play.  You can't have everything right there in front of people.   
> But as I say suggestions are always good.  Just...saying people are  
> giving me the hard truth.... makes me wonder what is wrong here  
> though. -Bob
>
>
>
> Johannes Öberg wrote:
>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Rainer Buchty <rainer at buchty.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>> frankly, I'm fully with Google here.
>>>
>>> Where's your shop!?
>>>
>>> Even humans easily fail that Turing test you liked to set up with  
>>> your
>>> pages!
>>>
>>> To make a long story short: if you want your page content to be  
>>> found, your
>>> page shouldn't play hide and seek with human and electronic  
>>> visitors seeking
>>> for information.
>>>
>>
>> I second all this.
>>
>> Too many people use stuff analogous to "well maybe you big city kids
>> only care about how a page looks but I care about the content" as  
>> some
>> kind of excuse for unusable content, or for just spilling whatever
>> currently goes thru their brain into a text file and calling that a
>> web site.
>>
>> Bob, Rainer is giving you the hard truth.
>>
>> Your totally unstructured page probably makes the search engine
>> believe you're a spam bot. And you shouldn't blame it.
>>
>> It's not about fancy pictures or flashy colors; you're page is simply
>> so disorganized that it is probably useless to alot of people. I  
>> would
>> never have found the replacement keys page without this thread. In
>> fact, after going to the base url, I've failed several attempts to
>> find my way back to the keys page.
>>
>> I would recommend you to remake the entire page, starting from a  
>> plan.
>> Theres a gazillion free web design tutorials out there, and they're
>> not all about graphics. A lot of them deal with basic content
>> organization.
>>
>> If you don't want to learn html and css, there's converters for Word
>> documents that can at least make tables and lists for you.
>>
>>
>>> Bob Weigel wrote:
>>> However I INTENTIONALLY left it with a lot of text... because it  
>>> loads quick and tells people
>>> what they are looking for hopefully in most cases.
>>> My site is simply the best in the world at doing that. TO call it  
>>> 'HORRIBLE' seems strange
>>> Nate :-). If there is a better comprehensive site  
>>> somewhere..please give me the link.
>>>
>>
>> Then what's the problem? You think your page is great, google does  
>> not.
>>
>> Btw, it's not about text vs. huge images, even if people had actually
>> had 2400 baud modems.
>>
>> It's about loads of text scattered all over the place vs. giving the
>> page some thought and portioning the information into reasonably  
>> sized
>> chunks of relevant text.
>>
>>
>>> It was designed so people can get the
>>> information that they want in the fastest time possible.
>>>
>>
>> If that is your goal, you should listen to Rainer.
>>
>> No offence.
>>
>> /Johannes
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