[sdiy] why does google suck SO bad for finding my parts? Yahoo is on it!

[Bob Weigel]

Maybe I'm just too stupid to *get* the 'hard truth'.

When I help people on things I'm good at....they usually come away with 
this 'gee..there's someone lending me help in an area I'm weak in.  They 
took what I DID have right..and BUILT on it and we came out ahead!"

INstead..it seems I'm dealing with some different types who are just 
saying "It's all garbage. "  Did I offend you guys in some way at some 
time or something?  The responses seem..kind of semi-constructive but 
more bent towards insult overall...what's up?

FOR EXAMPLE:

Define 'unusable content'.  AND SUGGEST A PLAN AS TO HOW YOU WOULD 
REMEDY the problem.  Otherwise...I'm not seeing anything but people who 
did nothing about the glaring problem that INSPIRED the construction of 
this page in the first place... and they just sit back and throw things 
at the person who tried but maybe wasn't the best qualified to do the 
page itself.

WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER TO...just offer me constructive help on how to 
fix problems LIKE THE PAGE HAS BEEN BECKONING PEOPLE TO DO ALL ALONG?? 

DIsorganized.  Crud...sorry Johannes in SOME ways it's *very* 
organized.  Rather than a sprawl of information like one of the 
aforementioned pages, you get hit right up front wiht a list of 
manufacterers.  So some..normal person who is looking for a particular 
synthesizer usually can click on the right one there.  Then there's all 
the synths they made that are out of recent production pretty much... 
problem there?  No just click on the one you want....

THen you get a page that is the same as all the other pages so that if 
you are remotely USED to using it your eye immediately goes to the info 
you want and you click and you're there.

Unless it's a dead link or something that I count on people to let me 
know about.  What do you expect me to sit here clicking links every day 
to make sure they all work?  Sorry I usually figure that someone will be 
kind enough to just email me and most of the pages HAVE a contact link 
at the bottom.

So in some ways it's very organized.  However there are many things on 
there and the question 'what do you want to focus on' comes into play.  
You can't have everything right there in front of people.  But as I say 
suggestions are always good.  Just...saying people are giving me the 
hard truth.... makes me wonder what is wrong here though. -Bob



Johannes Öberg wrote:

>>On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Rainer Buchty <rainer at buchty.net> wrote:
>>frankly, I'm fully with Google here.
>>
>>Where's your shop!?
>>
>>Even humans easily fail that Turing test you liked to set up with your
>>pages!
>>
>>To make a long story short: if you want your page content to be found, your
>>page shouldn't play hide and seek with human and electronic visitors seeking
>>for information.
>>    
>>
>
>I second all this.
>
>Too many people use stuff analogous to "well maybe you big city kids
>only care about how a page looks but I care about the content" as some
>kind of excuse for unusable content, or for just spilling whatever
>currently goes thru their brain into a text file and calling that a
>web site.
>
>Bob, Rainer is giving you the hard truth.
>
>Your totally unstructured page probably makes the search engine
>believe you're a spam bot. And you shouldn't blame it.
>
>It's not about fancy pictures or flashy colors; you're page is simply
>so disorganized that it is probably useless to alot of people. I would
>never have found the replacement keys page without this thread. In
>fact, after going to the base url, I've failed several attempts to
>find my way back to the keys page.
>
>I would recommend you to remake the entire page, starting from a plan.
>Theres a gazillion free web design tutorials out there, and they're
>not all about graphics. A lot of them deal with basic content
>organization.
>
>If you don't want to learn html and css, there's converters for Word
>documents that can at least make tables and lists for you.
>
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>
>>Bob Weigel wrote:
>>However I INTENTIONALLY left it with a lot of text... because it loads quick and tells people
>>what they are looking for hopefully in most cases.
>>My site is simply the best in the world at doing that. TO call it 'HORRIBLE' seems strange
>>Nate :-). If there is a better comprehensive site somewhere..please give me the link.
>>    
>>
>
>Then what's the problem? You think your page is great, google does not.
>
>Btw, it's not about text vs. huge images, even if people had actually
>had 2400 baud modems.
>
>It's about loads of text scattered all over the place vs. giving the
>page some thought and portioning the information into reasonably sized
>chunks of relevant text.
>
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>
>>It was designed so people can get the
>>information that they want in the fastest time possible.
>>    
>>
>
>If that is your goal, you should listen to Rainer.
>
>No offence.
>
>/Johannes
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