[sdiy] why does google suck SO bad for finding my parts? Yahoo is on it!

[Bob Weigel]

I just have so many requests I'm saturated of late with things.  If 
someone wanted me to scan a manual right now I'd not want to do it 
because I have too many bills coming up and I've done too much spec 
work.  Hopefully in a month after my friend Paul gets his payment on his 
house covered (for which reason I'm fixing a few vox things up etc.) 
then I can be more kicked back on things like that again.  I'm sure 
everyone goes through those phases and maybe a lot of people are at the 
moment. 

But I'm glad to see that more and more stuff has become available in 
that realm online at least.  It's great to be able to help hundreds of 
people without any of them actually asking you for the help, rather than 
having to individually make copies and mail things to people one at a 
time :-).  We live in a marvelous age in that respect. -Bob

Nate Reeves wrote:

> to be honest, i used to look at this list as a good source of parts/ 
> information and its ok i guess....
>
> i thought it would be easier to find service manuals and parts on 
> this  list without people asking for money but thats another story....
>
> seems like there is more talk about sdiy marriage issues than helping  
> me find service manuals!
>
> is there any other audio sdiy lists i can try?
>
> thx
>
> nate
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Bob Weigel wrote:
>
>> Rainer,
>>
>> When I began this time consuming effort, the VISION was that the  
>> synth community would come together and pool to make it so that we  
>> can actually FIND stuff.  Before I began this effort..frankly..the  
>> resources available for someone to look up a service manual for  
>> something for instance were CRAP.
>>
>> I personally looked for a YEAR to find a key for a Korg Delta.  No  
>> resources were available whatsover to even TIP ME OFF as to whether  
>> it *might* use the same keys as a Lambda for instance.  Or a CX3.
>> So I did the best thing I knew to do.  Started template pages that  
>> would contain the essentials I could think of at least and obviously  
>> there are THOUSANDS of things to fill in and I'm just one guy.   So  
>> naturally one some of the machines I've not had in my hands to work  
>> on OR others haven't chipped in to help one (I've gotten maybe...a  
>> dozen or so constructive people who added a tidbit here and there  
>> along the way.  The rest of it was me personally doing all the work  
>> and all the research. ) still have links set up with no values  entered.
>>
>> Hence they divert you to the same page.  It's the only way I could  
>> think of to make it feasible to do this at the time.  Would have  
>> appreciated more insight on how I might do it when I brought the  
>> idea forth here but I didn't get a lot of help in directions like  that.
>>
>> Now...do you have something constructive to add?  Like the page SAYS  
>> if you have constructive things to add please let me know and we can  
>> fill in some missing things with meaningful data.  Vintage Ensoniq  
>> isn't high dollar gear and it's not stuff I've personally worked on  
>> a lot here.  So I suppose that's the reason the Ensoniq pages aren't  
>> as packed with info as some of the others.
>> AND YES I WONDER WHY GOOGLE DOESN'T FIND THE TEXT THAT IS ON THE  
>> PAGE.  That's what I'm asking...to get back on the subject.  -Bob
>>
>> Rainer Buchty wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Bob Weigel wrote:
>>>
>>>> With google...I'm not even listed.  At all.  4 pages of irrelevant  
>>>> links. What is wrong with them?  Why are they the 'best' if they  
>>>> don't work worth a crud on simple text stuff like this? -Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Uhm. Just out of curiosity (and because I found Google's ranking  
>>> algorithm rather superior for the way I phrase my search requests)  
>>> I was browsing your pages, and, frankly, I'm fully with Google here.
>>>
>>> Where's your shop!?
>>>
>>> It may just be me, but I somewhat expected to find it under "SD  
>>> Shop", so I clicked on that.
>>>
>>> However, there I find some text and photos. Shop photos. Studio  
>>> photos. Maybe it's the "Synthesizer Assistance"?
>>>
>>> No. I just find more text. A friggin lot of text, I might add.
>>> But there's links to Manufacturers.
>>>
>>> I'm sorta biased, so I click on Ensoniq.
>>>
>>> Oh no! Even more text.
>>> Maybe with clicking on one of the listed manufacturer products?
>>> Let's click on ESQ1. Or SQ80. (Mind you, I'm biased.)
>>>
>>> But, no. Still no parts but more text. And links.
>>> (And incomplete citations from SDIY, I might add...)
>>>
>>> But there's a parts locator, which by the link color tells me that  
>>> 2 of 3 links have already been visited. Ah, yes. They point back to  
>>> the synthesizer page I'm already on. Loop, see loop.
>>>
>>> So I go for "keys", cause that's the one I haven't visited yet.
>>>
>>> Yeah! It seems to point into your key inventory page. So let's  
>>> track back whether the main inventory page is linked from somewhere?
>>>
>>> Oh, it indeed is. But I had to search for a while to find it as  
>>> it's buried in your "Synth Assistance" page under loads of text.
>>>
>>> I'm running 1600x1050 here and am not known for using particularly  
>>> huge fonts (rather on the contrary), still I find that link  
>>> somewhere around the second page of text disguised as "here's a  
>>> link to help locating parts including [text...] some of my  
>>> semiconductor, key, and misc inventory [much more text]"
>>>
>>> And you wonder why Google, which does not just use a pure link  
>>> daisy chain analysis but rather a more sophisticated, context- 
>>> sensitive analysis does not find your stuff?
>>>
>>> Even humans easily fail that Turing test you liked to set up with  
>>> your pages!
>>>
>>> To make a long story short: if you want your page content to be  
>>> found, your page shouldn't play hide and seek with human and  
>>> electronic visitors seeking for information.
>>>
>>> Rainer
>>>
>>>
>>>
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