[sdiy] why does google suck SO bad for finding my parts? Yahoo is on it!

[Bob Weigel]

Rainer,

When I began this time consuming effort, the VISION was that the synth 
community would come together and pool to make it so that we can 
actually FIND stuff.  Before I began this effort..frankly..the resources 
available for someone to look up a service manual for something for 
instance were CRAP.

I personally looked for a YEAR to find a key for a Korg Delta.  No 
resources were available whatsover to even TIP ME OFF as to whether it 
*might* use the same keys as a Lambda for instance.  Or a CX3. 

So I did the best thing I knew to do.  Started template pages that would 
contain the essentials I could think of at least and obviously there are 
THOUSANDS of things to fill in and I'm just one guy.   So naturally one 
some of the machines I've not had in my hands to work on OR others 
haven't chipped in to help one (I've gotten maybe...a dozen or so 
constructive people who added a tidbit here and there along the way.  
The rest of it was me personally doing all the work and all the 
research. ) still have links set up with no values entered.

Hence they divert you to the same page.  It's the only way I could think 
of to make it feasible to do this at the time.  Would have appreciated 
more insight on how I might do it when I brought the idea forth here but 
I didn't get a lot of help in directions like that.

Now...do you have something constructive to add?  Like the page SAYS if 
you have constructive things to add please let me know and we can fill 
in some missing things with meaningful data.  Vintage Ensoniq isn't high 
dollar gear and it's not stuff I've personally worked on a lot here.  So 
I suppose that's the reason the Ensoniq pages aren't as packed with info 
as some of the others. 

AND YES I WONDER WHY GOOGLE DOESN'T FIND THE TEXT THAT IS ON THE PAGE.  
That's what I'm asking...to get back on the subject.  -Bob

Rainer Buchty wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Bob Weigel wrote:
>
>> With google...I'm not even listed.  At all.  4 pages of irrelevant 
>> links. What is wrong with them?  Why are they the 'best' if they 
>> don't work worth a crud on simple text stuff like this? -Bob
>
>
> Uhm. Just out of curiosity (and because I found Google's ranking 
> algorithm rather superior for the way I phrase my search requests) I 
> was browsing your pages, and, frankly, I'm fully with Google here.
>
> Where's your shop!?
>
> It may just be me, but I somewhat expected to find it under "SD Shop", 
> so I clicked on that.
>
> However, there I find some text and photos. Shop photos. Studio 
> photos. Maybe it's the "Synthesizer Assistance"?
>
> No. I just find more text. A friggin lot of text, I might add.
> But there's links to Manufacturers.
>
> I'm sorta biased, so I click on Ensoniq.
>
> Oh no! Even more text.
> Maybe with clicking on one of the listed manufacturer products?
> Let's click on ESQ1. Or SQ80. (Mind you, I'm biased.)
>
> But, no. Still no parts but more text. And links.
> (And incomplete citations from SDIY, I might add...)
>
> But there's a parts locator, which by the link color tells me that 2 
> of 3 links have already been visited. Ah, yes. They point back to the 
> synthesizer page I'm already on. Loop, see loop.
>
> So I go for "keys", cause that's the one I haven't visited yet.
>
> Yeah! It seems to point into your key inventory page. So let's track 
> back whether the main inventory page is linked from somewhere?
>
> Oh, it indeed is. But I had to search for a while to find it as it's 
> buried in your "Synth Assistance" page under loads of text.
>
> I'm running 1600x1050 here and am not known for using particularly 
> huge fonts (rather on the contrary), still I find that link somewhere 
> around the second page of text disguised as "here's a link to help 
> locating parts including [text...] some of my semiconductor, key, and 
> misc inventory [much more text]"
>
> And you wonder why Google, which does not just use a pure link daisy 
> chain analysis but rather a more sophisticated, context-sensitive 
> analysis does not find your stuff?
>
> Even humans easily fail that Turing test you liked to set up with your 
> pages!
>
> To make a long story short: if you want your page content to be found, 
> your page shouldn't play hide and seek with human and electronic 
> visitors seeking for information.
>
> Rainer
>
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