[sdiy] Mysterious transistor on one of the ASM-1 VCO versions

[Pete Swarbrick]

What I forgot to say in the previous post is that I assume it has been
drawn like this to clarify that the emitter, which in the 311 is
connected to Pin 1 and labelled GND, needs to be connected to -15V in
this circuit. I seem to remember hooking up a vectorboard ASM VCO and
blindly tying pin 1 to 0V as I had always done when using a 311 and then
troubleshooting referring to the 311 datasheet. ( as Mike says- RTFD) 

Pete

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From: synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl
[mailto:synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Aaron
Lanterman
Sent: 02 May 2008 08:52
To: SDIY DIY
Cc: Greg Hartl
Subject: [sdiy] Mysterious transistor on one of the ASM-1 VCO versions

OK, so I'm throwing yet a third oscillator at my student Greg. The  
first two I threw at him were datasheet ones. I know people got the  
AN-299 working, but Greg was getting frustrated, as was I, so I  
figured I'd throw at him the ASM-1 VCO, which is one of the most  
proven, often built, and best understood designs out there.

There are two versions of the ASM-1:

1996: http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/asm1vco.new.pdf

2003: http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/asm1vco-1.1.pdf

The main difference between the two is an NPN transistor at the output  
of the LM311, which appears in the 2003 version but not the 1996  
version.

I reasonably understand the 1996 version - I even did a lecture on it,  
or actually the version that appears in Hal Chamberlin's book.

But this 2003 version with the PNP bewilders me. Alas, that's the one  
I happened to send the link to Greg to build, and the PNP has been  
vexing us today.

He built the oscillator, but it appears the gate is stuck at around 0  
V, so the JFET is conducting, and as we change the CV, we get a DC  
change at the triangle output, but no actual oscillation. The level at  
the + input of the comparitor is less than the 5 V threshold, so the  
output of the comparator is at -15 V; my understanding of BJTs is that  
the transistor at the output is then "off", so no current is flowing  
through the collector, and the gate is more or less hooked to ground.  
And then I'm confused what would happen if the LM311 turns "on" - as  
an open collector output, it should disconnect the base, and then I'm  
not sure what the BJT would do - would it set the gate to the -15  
rail? And if so... isn't that BJT doing the opposite of what we want?  
Like it's almost acting as a logic inverter on the LM311 output.

I get more confused reading the ASM-1 webpage:

"When output of the CA3140 goes above Vref, the comparator LM311 will  
pull its output transistor collector (pin 7) to -15 V since its  
emitter (pin 1) is hooked to
-15V. This will bias the JFET (Q3) into conducting range and reset the  
capacitor C2 through the Rds(ON) of the JFET."

I though setting the gate to -15 V should pinch the JFET "off," not  
put it into conducting range... this is suggested by p. 190 of  
chamberlin, which says: "as ong as the integrator output is less than  
Vref, the comparitor output is negative, which keeps the FET switch  
across the integratind compacitor off, allowing it to charge. As soon  
as the integrator voltage reaches Vref... The comparator output is  
constrained to rise no further than ground but this is enough to fully  
turn on the high-thrshold-voltage FET switch."

So the ASM-1 webpage seems to say that -15 V at the gate does the  
reset, and the Chamberlin book seems to say that 0 V at the gate does  
the reset.

*confused Aaron is confused*

- Aaron
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