If so, I'd expect them to have a gate, or at least a compander, otherwise I expect some carrier to come thru on the silent bits. I could have saved a LOT of money using a 13700 in my Blue Ringer ;D paul perry melbourne australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mahoney" > The Moogerfooger ring mod is based on the 13700, as far as I can tell. > --