SV: Re: SV: Re: [sdiy] Chip prices today and what about tomorrow?

[Rainer Buchty]

>The guy in india are not in india ,hes in sweden in the local office!
>That is, he's in the chair nex to me holding my hand! ;-)

And he's living and working there for 10EUR/h? Sounds like modern 
slavery to me...

We had that "Green Card" project here in Germany back during the dot com 
bubble times which was meant to attract skilled foreign workers. Of 
course, was sounded like a good salary in India or Pakistan turned out 
to be not quite sufficient to live when having to live *here*.

>Dont agree to that, you are to pessimistic, i have quite good 
>experience from many freelancers.

Oh, I wasn't arguing against freelance and contract work at all... 

But so far that "we outsource anything to where labor costs nothing" 
strategy always fired back. 

>Not if im the customer!
>If im the customer i dont sooth my self! :-)
>Im the customer!
>Im the customer and i would like to se my self to sue myself!

So then you're not selling any product? Why let it be developed then?

What about *your* customers?

Or just *your* time and *your* nerves?

>You are to darn pessimistic about freelancers!

Not at all. Just about this specific business model.

>A majority of companies outsource, small aswell as large!

It always depends on *what* you outsource. If you replace one clueless 
hotline by some other clueless hotline, fine. If you outsource "donkey 
work" (like PCB manufacturing, assembly), fine.

But if I need a delicate piece of electronics (or whatever) be 
*developed*, then "discount development! just 10EUR/h!" for me rings 
warning bells rather than being a truly attractive (and serious) offer.

There's a reason why you pay those $150/hr for project work Paul S. 
mentioned in a previous mail. Or $500-$1500/day for longer-term 
contracts depending on your negiotiation skills and how badly they need 
you.

>Have you ever heard about "clause's" in a time limited work contract? 
>In sweden the vast majority of consultants are out at the contractors 
>to do the work not farting around in a local office!

Of course I know "clauses". It's not like I never worked as a consultant 
and freelancer myself. Mostly on projects which were already in deep 
trouble (read: delayed for various reasons; assigning the wrong persons 
to the task and/or not paying them enough being one cause for that) and 
where they needed someone to do come up with a solution by yesterday.

As I said: I'm not arguing against freelance/contract work versus 
regular employee, like you seem to understand my last mail.

>I dont agree to your general dissing of freelancers Rainer,

No one speaks of general dissing of freelancers. That's entirely your 
interpretation...

Rainer