SV: Re: [sdiy] Chip prices today and what about tomorrow?

[karl dalen]

Electronics has no value, right, aswell as enginers has no value too,
i read in the larger scandinavian electronic magazine the following:

:Large Indian consulting firm opens its doors in scandinavia,
:rent a engineer for "10euro" a hour!!

I emideately called them up,and yes they can provide
me with "any" type of electronics engineer for 10euro
a hour, fpga, semi, you name it !

Soo folks, time to do something else i suppose!

REG
KD 

--- Paul Schreiber <synth1 at airmail.net> skrev:

> As the person on the list that probably buys more "stuff" than anyone else 
> (about $110K/yr), a few observations:
> 
> a) the best way to get the lowest prices is to get a 'direct account' (30 day
> 
> terms, not credit card) with distribution: Newark, Arrow, NuHorizons, Future 
> and/or Avnet.
> 
> b) brokers mainly sell to 1 market: REPAIR and mostly MILITARY REPAIR. Price
> is 
> NOT an issue. In the last 8 years, I have bought parts from brokers 3 times 
> (non-CEM) and that was painfully expensive.
> 
> c) Looking forward: buy stuff in SMT. The analog ICs and 74HCxxx are all
> 0.050 
> pitch, easy to solder. 1206 resistors are easy to handle and solder. You can
> fit 
> your entire parts collection in a shoebox :) You can get really slick SMT 
> prototype adapters at www.beldynsys.com and cheap, professional prototype
> boards 
> (up to 10" x 10", you can put an entire Mogg 55 on that!) at www.4pcb.com .
> 
> I personally think that after July 1 2006, the US holders of DIP ICs are
> going 
> to dump 95% of them in the trash. In Europe, that will be Jan 1. There is
> going 
> to be a HUGE upswing as the paradigm shifts from repair/maintain to
> *replace*. 
> Think of it this way: EVERYTHING you can purchase today at Best Buy will be
> in a 
> landfill 4 years from now. Electronics has been devalued over the last 5
> years 
> like no other commodity (120GB hard drives: Dell pays $10.48 for them).
> Remember 
> the 70s/80s/90s when electronics was sort of cool and mysterious and 'rocket 
> science'? Now I have these conversations:
> 
> Me: 'That iPod Nano sure looks slick!'
> 
> Neighbor: 'It does....how many songs will it hold?'
> 
> Me: '1000'
> 
> Neighbor: ' Nah....I'll never need that many. Guess I won't buy it."
> 
> In other words, the *technology is no longer of value*. The value is more or 
> less *assumed*, and now it's more based on *need*. And most electronic things
> we 
> really don't *need*. The public is now desensitized except possibly large
> plasma 
> TV that are "too expensive" at the same price point that I bought a NEC 
> MultiSync II monitor for in 1988. The technology in cell phones should really
> be 
> valued at $1200 (DSPs/RF/cameras/software/packaging and mechanical content)
> 
> The point is: DIP ICs with lead are a "double whammy". How many DIP ICs with 
> lead will be in new products this time next year? Virtually NONE.
> 
> So either get 'em while the gettins' good (as Granny like to say) or shift
> over 
> to SMT, which is NOT that bad, really. I suppose it requires a CAD system of 
> sorts. Save your $$$, sell some gear, get the CAD and never look back. There
> is 
> no dishonor in soldering to a nice pc board rather than perf board (sorry
> JH!).
> 
> Paul S.
> last perf board used was 2001 
> 
>