http://buy.microchip.com/productsearch.aspx?Keywords=picdem+2+plus (the second item) Selling the $229 PICDEM 2 Plus and the In-Cicuit Debugger for $119, free shipping anywhere in the world. My software is ~18 months old, but it's free download on the Microchip site. Moving to ARM-7 tools. Paul Schreiber Synthesis Technology