SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: [sdiy] Simulating SW?

[karl dalen]

--- Magnus Danielson <cfmd at bredband.net> skrev:
> > How can a model be "more" trusted rather then "less" trusted
> > in the start? I would find a simulation/or rater useless if
> > all it can provide is a rough aproximation of what i see of
> > the plastic breadborad simulation! ;)
> 
> Well, if you have simulation models which already proved themselfs to be more
> or less right, then you have a model you can trust more than someone which is
> untested. 

Thats not what you said first, thats an after construction! 
Alarm, Alarm, blink, blink! ;)

> corny results... ah well...
> 
> > Why bother write a FFT software that shows malfunctions?
> 
> Which is indeed a good point. The trouble is that FFT is king to alot of
> people, who don't even know they can't trust it... sigh!

Thats because "people" are corny!
 
> > > If you *really* understand what you are doing, you don't need
> > > to simulate, 
> > 
> > Speaking of contradiction in terms! ;) 
> 
> Well, indeed. Simulation can be a good tool to learn things, but in the end
> it
> is just another little tool in the toolbox. I rarely simulate things myself.
> I think that was 5 years ago or something... ;O)

I constantly simulate! :)
 
> > > but you may occasionally simulate in
> > > order to verify in the middle of the night that you are roughly > right.
> > 
> > Speaking of "really" contradiction in terms! :)) 
> > Who? Me or the female? :))
> 
> Hey! Those continous curves caught my attention, OK??? ;O)

Naughty stuff in the FFT! ;)
 
> > > I don't know why I see the picture of Bob Pease tossing his old >computer
> > from  the top of Nationals parking-garage building motivating that now THIS
> 
> > computer  will not lye to him again or the use of the simulation output as
> > papper in
> > > the  birdcage with the comment that SPICE printouts is usefull for at
> least
> > > something... simulation is a bitch if you don't know when you can trust
> it!!!
> > 
> > Unfortunately, i have to pop your baloon!
> > http://www.national.com/profile/os.cgi?EventID=101805 
> > 
> > Simulation is still a bitch, no doubth!
> 
> Indeed. That National has those seminars is one thing, what Bob thinks about
> them is a totally different issue. ;O)

Well, him actually doing it is a small revolution! 

KD