[sdiy] SDIY -vs RoHS - more

[Metrophage]

That would be a kind of meta-software. After all, what are you going to
run your software on, if not hardware?

CJ
 
--- Doug Terrebonne <dougt55 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Might we also see the day when there are software versions of these
> chips and other components that are indistinguishable from the real
> thing? 
> 
> Doug
> 
> --- Benjamin Riggs <Ben.r at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > 
> > The threads of late are definitely putting the way I do stuff in a
> > different
> > light. With a lot of parts that we use and have used no longer
> being
> > manufactured and the way we build circuits is going to change
> > (whether we
> > like it or not), maybe we should seriously consider adapting,
> rather
> > than
> > trying to stock up for the endless winter ahead. Tomg has already
> > started
> > this by getting rid of the 3080 in all his circuits. We are always
> > going to
> > have resistors, diodes, transistors and opamps. The loss of the
> OTAs
> > is a
> > pain, a hurdle, but it's not the end of the world. Its just change.
> > 
> > I recon we should all start doing our stuff lead free as soon as we
> > can
> > (whether we like the reasoning behind it or not). Keep the stocks
> of
> > old
> > parts that we got to keep out old stuff going, and do all our new
> > stuff in
> > lead free SMT.
> > 
> > I have no doubt that lead free SMT will be just as good to work
> with
> > as
> > leaded throughhole one day. Just cause it sucks goats now, doesn't
> > mean it
> > always will, the technology will mature.
> > 
> > If we don't embrace the future, it will leave us behind. My two
> > cents.
> > 
> > Ben.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> > [mailto:owner-synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Magnus
> > Danielson
> > Sent: Monday, 23 May 2005 6:52 AM
> > To: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> > Subject: Re: [sdiy] SDIY -vs RoHS - more
> > 
> > From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1 at airmail.net>
> > Subject: [sdiy] SDIY -vs RoHS - more
> > Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:13:15 -0500
> > Message-ID: <0bb601c55ef1$8c8605d0$0201a8c0 at bilbo>
> > 
> > Paul,
> > 
> > <Good points deleted>
> > 
> > > But it won't be an overnight thing. It will be a 3-5yr thing but
> it
> > WILL
> > greatly 
> > > effect all of us, including end-product suppliers like MOTM,
> > Doepfer,
> > Serge, 
> > > etc. This will happen in 2 areas:
> > > 
> > > a) shipping *into* Europe and people building in Europe
> > 
> > ROHS is a European thing, but it will affect globally since
> buissness
> > is no
> > longer as tied locally as it once was. ROHS compliance is a great
> > thing now
> > and
> > about everyone in the industry is showing up their ROHS compliant
> > solutions
> > right now, they got to if they want to be playing the game. This
> will
> > affect
> > everyone regardless if they want to or not. There are execeptions
> > which
> > doesn't
> > have to go lead-free and telecom is one, however, much of the
> > components
> > will
> > be lead-free anyway.
> > 
> > Europe will turn into a "dead market" unless you turn ROHS
> compliant.
> > I
> > don't
> > know about the sale-statistics, but I'd guess there are a few good
> > MOTM
> > customers over here, just to make an arbitrary example.
> > 
> > > b) availability of parts, and what will be the greatest immediate
> > effect
> > is 
> > > leaded resistors/caps/diodes/etc. Because, what % of these types
> of
> > parts
> > are
> > > shipped *today* in non-SMT? I'll guess <5%. Next year? ZIP!
> > 
> > SMT is here to stay. ROHS is just helping to push the case. There
> > will be
> > ROHS
> > compliant components around which is good old thru hole, but many
> > will be
> > killed. It's sad, but it is good that we get rid of this poison
> too.
> > 
> > We will actually see excisting products (complete boxes) killed by
> > the ROHS.
> > I know one vendor that will not be able to update a number of
> > products to
> > ROHS
> > compliant since they figure the cost will not really make up for
> the
> > additional
> > lifetime of the product.
> > 
> > We've already seen a number of SMT DIY projects, so it is possible.
> > This
> > thing
> > is like going from hard-wire to ceramic bridges, and from ceramic
> > bridges to
> > printed circuit boards, we are just taking another step here
> fellas!
> > 
> > Let's just make sure that there are good semis around. Some good
> > thru-holes
> > will make it, but others will not be worth it.
> > 
> > The one thing that I would like to do myself is thru-hole plating
> so
> > that I
> > could do my own two-layer boards reasnoble handy. But then again,
> it
> > has
> > become
> > very cheap to have them made vias and all! Guess I'm just wishing
> for
> > that
> > fiz
> > in the tank feeling again.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Magnus
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


		
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