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[Bob Weigel]

I totally agree we cannot afford to police the world.  I'm just 
saying...there are documented culprits here..and then there are assumed 
ones.  Saddam set himself up as a documented one.  Whether it was by his 
fear of an Iranian invasion that he set himself up for ours or what...I 
dunno.  But he sure put himself in a bad spot being a totally out of 
control nutso dictator.  That is for sure. Like I said trying to pull 
this OFF list in response to metaphage, I don't believe in killing 
anyone unless it's to save DIRECTLY someone else.  I tend to be of the 
hide and pray for the person that we might become friends mentality 
because of my own spiritual experiences.  But oh well...what's that 
worth in a world where you can argue without foundation and tear each 
other to shreds :-).
    But I fully believe man conspires and that there is a conspiracy 
afoot which Skull/Bones only hints at.  I've seen too much stuff that 
doesn't add up any other way and...if you've read my old website you 
know I've done some actual research on a few things...  Anyway I humbly 
suggest that the solution isn't to spread presumption because it slumps 
us to the same level as the people using propoganda on the other side.  
I believe there is a better way but it takes some heart searching.  
That's all I'm saying.  It all becomes just hand waving arguments that 
go nowhere otherwise. I don't know about CIA torturing people.  I'm sure 
many things have probably happened but ...it's NOT QUITE AS EASY TO 
DOCUMENT AS 100,000 DEAD PEOPLE... know what I mean?  You are always 
going to have abuses in secretive organizations obviously.  You just 
kind of have to punish/remove those who do the abuse and if someone else 
is documentedly implicted in leadership remove them too.  But it's a 
tough call simply because we don't really know for sure how deep the 
conspiracies run in such things.  And we can't presume or we could be 
wrong.  And..it's a ruddy bad example for the kids ya know :-)  -Bob

R. D. Davis wrote:

>Quothe Bob Weigel, from writings of Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 01:59:17PM -0700:
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>>Especially Bush/Blair?  Not Saddam who had rape rooms and is documented 
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>Well, I'll bet Bush's ungentlemanly skull & bones fraternity brothers
>have committed plenty of rapes... then people like Bush don't want
>women who've been raped to have access to abortion or morning-after
>pills.  Let's also not forget Bush's taxpayer-funded pornographic
>entertainment: movies of what the American soldiers did to Iraqi
>prisoners, which included rape.
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>>to have used chemical weapons to murder thousands of people here and 
>>there?  Just because someone is being raped in another society it's not 
>>my business?  I don't get it.  Sorry.  It is my business.  I believe in 
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>We can't afford to police the world.  U.S. citizens should not pay
>taxes for the U.S. military to do anything but defend the U.S., but if
>that was the case, many corporate profits would dwindle.  That doesn't
>mean that I'd like to see such vicious crime's stop; however, we can't
>afford to use our military to put a stop to all problems everywhere.
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>Also, what about the chemical weapons being used to murder thousands
>of innocent creatures, during the testing of such chemicals, here in
>the U.S.?  Chemicals intended for use on humans, or else we wouldn't
>be manufacturing then for warfare-related purposes.  That's no less of
>a horrid activity than using them to murder people, and it's no more
>justifiable.
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>Also, there's that little thing about the destruciton of much world
>history during the war in Iraq, some of that being history which may
>have discredited certain fundamentalist religious beliefs of Bush.
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>>caring about people everywhere.  Even if they are under devil regimes.  
>>I pray for people who have been/are being tortured all over the globe 
>>today.   I believe there are shifty interests all the way around like I 
>>say.  Saddam is a total butthead though.  Release him.  So he can go 
>>mass murder again.  
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>What about the CIA abucting people around the world, and transporting
>them in that little Gulfstream jet to various countries around the
>world which allow torture, where those abducted people are tortured
>and killed in ways that are no less pleasant, boiled alive for
>example, than how people have been tortured in Iraq?  A little
>publicized fact that many U.S. citizens aren't aware of.
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>>Let's talk synths because..I think most of the 
>>people in here area  little better equipped for that.  :-)   -Bob
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>Good idea.  :-)
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