[sdiy] JAy

[Bob Weigel]

(Preface: note that the content of this is intended to point out the 
futility of these types of discussions..even when they are on topic :-) )

There are plenty of forums for that sort of thing Jay.  But we all get 
'touched' whether we like it or not in various off topic contexts by 
other things.   There gets to be a point where I wonder on one hand...if 
the whole world was about to blow up....would people STILL gripe about 
it being off topic to discuss it with people they know/love in a forum 
such as this? :-)
     But... on the other hand,  I skimmed some of your text though...and 
you sound like a guy who thinks he sees the picture clearly and nobody 
else does who doesn't rally to the same thoughts.  I say this because 
you speak with a lot of presumptuous labels.  (calling people 
'imperialist' for example who have NOT  taken advantage of what they 
easily could have justified in their own public's eye like taking enough 
oil to at least pay for going over and taking out what was BLATANTLY an 
EVIL REGIME...[And please, forget the  arguments about how Bush is like 
Hitler...so far no gas chambers.  No documented acts that would put him 
on that level; quite the contrary. He's tolerating the concept that 
prisoners who throw piss on the guards have RIGHTS. There's no reason 
prisoners should be allowed to act that way. These are people in prison 
because they were actively trying to be a danger to citizens of other 
countries. They should be made examples of...not the guards.  I'm not 
aware of any 'rights' they should be given once they cross that line 
besides the right to a speedy trial and execution if evidence shows that 
indeed they were doing such things.] ..and then they might have created 
a public utility situation to benefit the Iraqi people insead of a few 
rich leeches!  That would have all flown fairly with the vast majority 
in the US if presented properly.  But ..they didn't even do that!  
So...sorry it's a little convoluted to apply the 'imperialist label')  
    But my thoughts are that there are likely loooottts of things going 
on 'behind the scenes' in all governments.  Seems to be...a common thing 
if you look at the history of mankind :-). WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE??? 
OR ..just talk about it Jay?  Cuz if you really want to make a 
difference you are going to have to do it by getting to know people one 
on one.  As it is I wouldn't trust you any more than the other world 
leaders.  Because of the presumption you lace your writing with. 
PROPOGANDA JAY.  It's all just propoganda.  Take it away please. I WOULD 
NOT GRIPE IN THE LEAST about seeing something actually 
documented/informative xposted (like news that the world was blowing up, 
etc. :-) )  But to see just another propoganda/ counter-propoganda 
propoganda post or whatever...  It's  boring and I say keep it out of my 
face Jay. THanks, -Bob

Jay Vaughan wrote:

> At 16:33 +0100 7/7/05, Paul Maddox wrote:
>
>> This is a mail from JAY, sent to music bar,
>> I would kindly urge that every express their distaste at his
>> attitude by telling him he is *NOT* welcome at this years SynthDIY.
>
>
> can i, pretty please, come to synth-diy?  i promise i won't talk about 
> how much i think all war sucks.
>