[sdiy] Basic tips on constructive criticism

[The Peasant]

I was thinking of using this in my sig.:

"gee I hope I don't have to kick Bob Weigel's @ss again this time, but
it looks like the last one didn't take."

But when I read this one I thought it was much funnier:

"Fact:  I'd rather discharge a capacitor across my cerebrum than read another
post attempting to justify the wrong way to do it."


Bob, it's strange how your opinions seem to be "facts" and other people's facts 
are only "opinions". But then again, you *are* a self-professed "expert", who 
it appears would never allow reality get in the way of his beliefs. Maybe 
that's what results from the "it ain't done blown up yet, so its jest fine!" 
school of electronics you attended. I suggest to you that all of the problems 
the list is having with this thread would be instantly ended if you would only 
take your own advice.

Here is a free tip for you; you learn much better with your mouth closed and 
your ears open than the other way around. Oh, and another one; if a large group 
of people disagree with you on something, it's time to re-examine your own 
position.

Anyways Bob, please killfile me, as that would be greatly preferable to having 
you rant on and on every time you disagree with me, making sure you get the 
last word in no matter what. And grow up, we are all wrong some of the time.

Take care,
Doug
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The Electronic Peasant

www.electronicpeasant.com


Quoting Bob Weigel <sounddoctorin at imt.net>:

> 1) Identify cleary the problem you are having with another.
> 2) Ask "have they already made an effort to clear up this problem?"  
> Ahem...then ask it again...and again..WAIT..don't hit that send key!  
> Ask one more time and maybe do a search of the archives to see if 
> anything jars your selective memory....
> 3) Try to express continuing problems in clear concise terms, examining 
> whether any of the substance of your assertion is opinion based.  FAct?  
> Who says?  Post your sources.
> 4) Avoid posting OPINIONS that are derogatory.  Everyone is entitled to 
> an opinion. But when you post it in public, you become an instant 
> problem yourself.   You put yourself on the level of a politician who 
> uses propoganda to try to gain favor.
> 5) If the person won't listen to your reasonable effort to 
> communicate...let 'em have it with both barrels like.....this. :-)
> 
>   REMEMBER.  At some point you have to take things to their LOGICAL 
> CONCLUSION.  For instance, do you want to be the kind of human being who 
> is so fear based that they can't express their personal preference in 
> medical care?  For FEAR that someone else might say "Ohhh..someone 
> voiced a preference..therefore I must do the same thing!"  For instance, 
> I dont' go to doctors hardly at all.  Yet how DARE I say that!  SOmeone 
> might worship my preference, do the same, and miss having something 
> diagnosed that kills them. Does that make it my fault? No.  Shut up. Go 
> away.  I am totally entitled to post my preference about any freakin' 
> think I FEEL LIKE.  If someone is SO careless that they just read 
> someone's opinion on the internet and take it as gospel, then whatever.  
> They're 'too stupid to live' frankly. 
>    What we have here is no such thing. We have a world full of people 
> who rather than wanting to learn things for themselves want to blame 
> everyone else.  Now if I actually told someone something deliberately 
> false or ohhh let's say 'withheld information'..FOR EXAMPLE you all know 
> me well enough (save a couple total pinheads who think I'm Max Smart 
> level and Harry is James Bond..ahem...) to know that I know enough to 
> warn someone about potential shock hazards from AC coupling capacitors 
> in old amplifiers.   Now if someone came asking advice and said "Doc 
> says I can't take any kind of electrical shock and hey I've got this old 
> amp and I'm afraid to plug it in..is there anything I need to be aware 
> of???"  Well..duh.  If I didn't tell them, it's obviously deliberate 
> attempt to shock them into eternity :-)  (See logical parallel to my 
> complaint with (s)wine country on my website.  This type of thing is 
> blatant deceit. )
>    ON THE OTHER HAND (pound this through your heads people) If I tell 
> someone that for example it isn't normally harmful to anything in my 
> experience to direct discharge power supply caps in typical guitar 
> amplifiers.....  man.   I tried to be clear. What is typical?  If the 
> guy doesn't know, he should NOT ignore my words but ASK! If this is the 
> only guitar amp he's ever seen he should say "uhh...this amp needs to be 
> carried with a FORK LIFT...is that typical??"  :-)  C'mon.  My grammar 
> was clear.  My grammar demands respect.  If you don't respect it..I 
> don't respect you. That's the way it works.  I'll be killfiling anyone 
> who gives me ANY more crap on this one. I get too much traffic from this 
> group anyway that is out of the interest area but I appreciate so many 
> people here I wouldn't think of leaving. Many of them...actually know 
> how to READ and make a responsible effort with what I spend my time 
> typing as I do with them.  But some I'm rapidly losing interest in seeing.
> -Bob
>