[sdiy] Those darned Casio chips!

[Scott Gravenhorst]

"Rude 66" <r.lekx at chello.nl> wrote:
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>heh.. of course lying is  wrong. so is swearing. however, presidents lie and
>not only get away with it, but even get re-elected..;-)

That is no excuse.  You are in control of your mouth and what comes out of
it.  I don't care WHO else is lying, it is WRONG.

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>if a little lie, 

A "little" lie?  I think the size of it depends on whether it is you who
tries to diminish the reason or the person who is wronged.  All lies are
lies, there are no "little" lies.

>like saying you are a dealer, would get you service docs
>that would result in a whole bunch of synths getting repaired and functional
>again, would that really be so bad? how does a company 'suffer' from this?

It is not for you or I to determine whether someone else has suffered as a
result of your lies.  The fact that they have these rules is enough for me.

>i find it incredible that a company can get away with this sort of
>behaviour. 

What?  Having a trade secret that they wish to protect?  Just because YOU
don't like it doesn't make it wrong.  Is there something illegal about the
way Yamaha does it's business?  You do know that lying can be a crime...  The
difference here is quite obvious, sir.

>how many yamaha synths, organs etc worldwide are laying around
>broken just because yamaha are too rigid to share their technical docs? 

That's not the issue.  It is their company, their rules.  When you form a
company, you get to make the rules.  And you won't give a rat's ass about
what others think of your rules either.

>i'm
>not asking them to put them on the net, or even to provide them for free.
>hell, some of the folks here probably would be a lot better qualified to
>fix these things than the official dealers, only they don't have the
>official title.  companies have a social responsibility too... imho this
>falls under it..

Companies don't have a "Social responsibility" to give you whatever you think
you should have.  Their responsibility is defined by things like product
safety and living up to advertising claims, not your demands for information
from them.

>r./
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Gravenhorst" <music.maker at gte.net>
>To: <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Those darned Casio chips!
>
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>> "Rude 66" <r.lekx at chello.nl> wrote:
>> >all this kind of stuff is so incredibly stupid from thse companies. how
>> >bad would it be to just simply lie?
>>
>> That's an incredible comment.
>>
>> How bad would it be if someone "simply" lied to you to take advantage of
>you?
>>
>> Lying is wrong.  Period.  It's their product, their rules, either live
>> within that or live without it.
>>
>> If anything is "incredibly stupid", it's lying.  Do you live in a society
>of
>> mutual trust or a free-for-all?
>>
>>
>>
>> >is it really such a crime to tell yamaha you're a dealer to get this
>info?
>> >hell, senso, you used yo have a store.. and rainer, why not make up some
>> >document in photoshop with some stolen logos and a fake autograph? i mean
>> >come on, we're talking about 25 year old technology here. if companies
>like
>> >casio and yamaha are too stupid to see the importance of this info to
>keep
>> >their machines alive, they're asking for it..
>> >
>> >i'd draw the line at breaking into their offices and stealing the docs.
>> >would be cool though.. i can see some of us going through the file
>cabinets
>> >with one of those spy cameras, like a bad 60's spy movie..;-)
>> >
>> >r./
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I have as much information as included in the service manual, but
>that's
>> >> about it. Hitachi Japan told me that they indeed have datasheets for
>> >> those LCD controllers, but I would require a signed authorization by
>> >> Casio to get those.
>> >>
>> >> Needless to say what email Casio not even bothered answering :)
>> >>
>> >> Rainer
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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- Where merit is not rewarded, excellence fades.
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- What good are laws that only lawyers understand?
- The media's credibility should always be questioned.
- The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
- Governments do nothing well, save collect taxes.

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