[sdiy] Nifty Slider/Fader alert
harrybissell
harrybissell at prodigy.net
Sun Jun 6 19:48:29 CEST 2004
Now were starting to get the gloves off... :^P
Some fun ideas...
how about a list of the "do's and don't of vinyl" I'll include only those that I
have
personal experience with, others can add...
1) Do not EVER take your vinyl records anywhere. Especially a party
2) Never lend ANYONE a vinyl record.
3) Never play a vinyl recors on anyone else's turntable
4) Check your cartridge (stylus) constantly for wear or damage
5) Always store your vinyl in the vertical position, never stack
6) Promptly remove the shrink wrap... even if you like the cover art
7) Always leave Mick Jagger's zipper in the full DOWN position (sticky fingers
only)
When CDs first came out... I attended a party where someone used a Michael
Jackson
CD as a beer coaster. (of course imho thats actually too good a fate, but...)
Remember what
those early CDs cost ??? (don't try that with vinyl)
Now be fair... vinyl has some cool tricks as well. Some turntables will allow
backwards
play... great for finding out if Paul is "really" dead. Playing vinyl at the
wrong speed can
be amusing as well...
I agree that vinyl can be very good... however most people cannot protect the
vinyl properly
and it gets ruined. IMHO, the only reason that Pink Floyd's DSOTM remained on
the
charts for over ten years... is all the stoners who skated the record while
flying... and had to
buy a new copy.
H^) harry
Glen wrote:
> At 08:12 PM 6/5/04 , R. D. Davis wrote:
>
> >> POPPING and CRACKLING that peaked out MUCH LOUDER than the music I was
> >> trying to hear underneath it!
> >
> >What else would one expect when records are removed from packaging that
> >resultes in static? If you'd cleaned them with an anti-static cleaner
> >and used rice-paper sleaves to keep them in...
>
> Okay, once again I have a vinyl lover who simply assumes that I MUST have
> done something wrong if I had several records that had serious popping and
> cracking. What makes you so damn sure that I didn't use anti-static
> cleaners? I did try different record cleaning products, and yes they
> claimed to eliminate static. What makes you so sure about the sleeves I put
> the records in? I did try some different sleeves, and never noticed an
> appreciable difference. I can't recall using rice paper in particular, and
> I don't even remember seeing it available for purchase. If rice paper
> sleeves were so important to the proper play of a record, why didn't I see
> them for sale? Why is it only now that I even hear that I should have used
> them? I find it odd that I used to work in the largest music store in the
> state, which sold a lot of nice hi-fi gear, including some of the exotic
> names, and none of my sales friends ever mentioned rice paper sleeves. If
> they were such a requisite for proper playing of a record, I definitely
> should have heard about them before now.
>
> Guess what? A CD doesn't require rice paper sleeves to prevent loud popping
> noises during play. It also doesn't require anti-static treatments. It also
> doesn't require cleaning, unless you accidently smear something on it, in
> which case it's a hell of a lot easier to clean, and a lot more forgiving,
> even if played slightly dirty.
>
> Why do you insist on insinuating that I MUST be some barbarian, and that I
> destroyed my records, if several of them popped and cracked like a roaring
> fireplace? What makes me really steamed, is this attitude from you and
> Ralph that makes far too many assumptions about the habits of people who
> complain that several of their vinyl records popped and cracked too much.
> You spout off remarks about my personal habits (you must have destroyed
> your records), (it must be operator error), (you didn't use anti-static
> treatments), which you have no way of knowing if they are even remotely
> true. Yet, you say these things in a somewhat degrading, and marginalizing
> tone, as if they are true.
>
> >Also, you weren't wearing any polyester clothing when handling the
> >records in a dry environment were you?
>
> I don't wear much synthetic fabric, and my house sat over a small stream,
> at the edge of a forest, during that time period. There weren't too many
> low-humidity days, and before you blame air conditioning, I should mention
> that I went for several years without air conditioning. I could have
> handled some of my records totally nude, while standing in a torrential
> downpour, and they would still have crackled.
>
> Oh that's the problem, Glen! You made the mistake of standing! Didn't
> anyone tell you that you had to lay on your stomach, wrapped in an
> totally-enclosed embossed copper foil suit, laying on military-grade
> tactically-moistened earth, underneath the shelter of a silver-plated and
> lacquered carbon-fiber tetrahedral enclosure, to ward off the evil static
> demons? What a pig you are, Glen! It's no wonder your records crackled!
>
> >Playing records wet ruins them.
>
> When all else fails, you get kind of desperate. At least you get a few good
> listens out of them, which is better than the alternative.
>
> >Was the turntable grounded? Did you align the cartridge properly? A
> >very slight amount of misalignment will made a big difference in the
> >sound.
>
> Yes, yes, and I know. Why MUST it be my fault, that vinyl was prone to
> popping and cracking?
>
> >Hmmm... I'm using an old Thorens TD-160 with a Shure V15 III
> >cartridge, far from an expensive turntable and cartridge combination,
> >and clean my records with Discwasher (drying and letting them dry
> >thoroughly!). Popping sounds from static are quite rare. Also, I can
> >play warped records with no tracking problems.
>
> I've had a Grado turntable, and a Technics turntable. (I can't remember the
> models.) I've had cartridges from Grado, Audio Technica, Shure, and
> Ortofon. With all the turntable and cartridge combinations, there was never
> a combination that played all my records quietly. Just admit it: A lot of
> vinyl records had bad pop and snap issues.
>
> >> As flawed as cheap CD players are, even the CHEAPEST CD player doesn't
> >> create a disturbance as noticeable as this.
> >
> >But one will plays discs that won't last as long as vinyl
> >LPs... remember these words "CD-Rot".
>
> Anything on CD that I want to keep for the rest of my life can be copied
> and archived onto other CD's, hard drives, and in the future possibly some
> other digital media as well. These copies are practically perfect clones of
> the original, and certainly offer plenty of value as a lifelong archive.
>
> >> You can keep your turntables and vinyl records. I'll gladly suffer through
> >> the "horrors" of pop-and-click-free listening with my humble CD player. It
> >> may have limitations, but at least I can depend on actually hearing the
> >> music when I purchase an album on CD.
> >
> >Until CD-Rot sets in. :-) :-) :-)
>
> Tommy-Rot!
>
> later... much later hopefully,
> Glen Berry
>
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