[sdiy] Should I repair my Fostex, or should I go HD recording?
Peter Grenader
peter at buzzclick-music.com
Mon Dec 27 02:45:03 CET 2004
Hey - you forgot to mention Brain Wilson's (was: Beach Boys but they
COMPLETELY screwed up by passing on it) album SMILE. Just retracked
completely and released (finally) after a 35 year postponement. Had this
jewel come out when it was supposed to (1967) it would have put a huge tink
in Sgt. Peps' armor (not that that album isn't equally as brilliant..but
SMLE is scary good).
You guys think I'm totally nuts right? I mean, the Beach Boys? Just listen
to it. Brain Wilson is arguably the best pop producer ever and an
incredible songwriter. This thing did the Thick As a Brick segway to the
next tune deal eight years before J. Tull did plus not only was it tracked
analog (this year), Wilson insisted in using a tube board to do it.
- P
WeAreAs1 at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/26/04 11:00:59 AM, rude66 at xs4all.nl writes:
>
> << heh.. read the beatles' studio sessions books. sgt pepper and the white
>
> album were made on 4 tracks (or maybe the latter with 8) and include
>
> enormous amounts of overdubs. >>
>
> First, let me preface by saying that I think Sgt. Pepper is still the
> greatest record ever made. Period.
>
> However, if you listen to it with a critical ear, you will eventually have to
> agree that Sgt. Pepper is an extremely lo-fi record. You can really hear all
> that sludgy tape-bouncing noise buildup and loss of clarity -- mostly on the
> basic track sounds (drums, bass, etc.). Since the vocals were usually the
> last thing committed to tape, they usually did not go through any tape
> transfers,
> and do not usually display any apparent generational loss. Also, with a few
> exceptions (such as "She's Leaving Home"), it's a very densely mixed and
> orchestrated record. The sonic density helps to mask some of the crappy
> sounding
> tracks. Additionally, in general, the lead vocals on Sgt. Pepper are mixed
> WAY
> out in front, more so than on most rock and pop records of the day. Since
> most of the vocal tracks are first generation, your ear tends to hear that
> vocal
> recording quality as the general tonality of the record, but it's not. Just
> try to ignore the lead vocal parts and listen to just the drums, bass, and
> rhythm guitars. You may be very surprised.
>
> That having been said, I'll say once again what I always say: Records are
> not about equipment or even about the recording process. They are about SONGS
> and PERFORMANCES. In the case of Sgt. Pepper, the greatest band in the world
> simply wrote some of the best songs they ever wrote, performed them extremely
> well, and pulled out all the stops with regard to creativity in the studio.
> It
> matters not that the recording quality is relatively lo-fi.
>
> For another example of an incredibly GREAT record that was incredibly poorly
> recorded, look no further than Bob Dylan's classic "Like A Rolling Stone".
> Actually, look no further than the very first sound heard on the record, which
> happens to be a single snare drum hit on beat 4, just before the band comes
> in.
> That snare drum sounds like a wet cardboard box being hit with a piece of
> meat, possible a turkey leg. It doesn't get any better later on, either.
> Nevertheless, that record is one of rock's great works of art, and arguably
> one of
> Dylan's very best.
>
> Oh, and how about Little Richard's incredible "Tutti Frutti"? The lead vocal
> is recorded so hot and distorted that it may as well have been recorded
> through a Z-Vex Fuzz Factory (it sounds like tape distortion to me..). Did
> that
> stop it from being one of the greatest rock records ever made? No, that
> distorted vocal probably actually helped it achieve that status!
>
> The inverse is true, also. That is, one can make incredibly beautiful (or
> incredibly horrible) recordings on high quality modern digital equipment.
> It's
> never about the gear -- It's all about THE SONGS, baby. You want to make a
> better recording? Write a better song.
>
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