[sdiy] Getting over eBay (rant)

Rude 66 r.lekx at chello.nl
Wed Jun 12 22:32:46 CEST 2002

so it's your type who comes to amsterdam and buys up all our bikes! ;-)

the reason everything is so cheap here for foreigners is that our government
taxes the hell out of cars and bikes. so to keep prices comparative to other
countries, they make the price before tax a lot lower in holland. and since
foreigners don't pay our taxes but the ones from their country, it pays off.
we have the same problem here with musical instruments. you go across the
border to germany and a synth can be 30-50 % cheaper than in holland. but a
lot of dutch stores will not service them, or importers don't give
warranties. it's all politics..


----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Johnson" <nej22 at hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: "synth-diy" <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [sdiy] Getting over eBay (rant)

> > ... it turns out many of the used Yamaha grands available are so called
> > "gray market pianos", which are pianos originally manufactured for the
> > Japanese market, sold to consumers in Japan, and then later bought as
> > used
> A similar thing happens to motorbikes in the UK.  Being so close to
> mainland Europe (you can almost spit across the channel if the wind is
> blowing in the right direction) it is economically viable to take a
> daytrip across to France or Amsterdam with your flexible friend, buy a
> motorbike there, drive it back and pay the import duties.  You could be
> saving several hundreds to possibly thousands of pounds.
> Of course, the reason for this big difference in price is that the UK arms
> of the various manufacturers have their sales targets to meet, as dished
> out by headquarters back in Japan.  And because the market here is smaller
> than mainland Europe, they articificially raise the prices to meet
> targets.
> So what do they do now about these enterprising importers of "grey" bikes
> (and cars too)?  Take 'em to court to stop them.  Honda (IIRC) did this a
> while back, saying that it was a bad thing to import grey bikes from
> Europe into the UK.  So the judge asks "why?".  Their answer: that
> UK-market bikes are safer than European bikes.
> *Ouch*  Consider the inverse of their argument....
> So along comes Honda Europe and says "what the !!??**##@@" to that and
> stamps on Honda UK, who has to back down and retract the "reason".
> Result: little guy wins.
> So what do they do now?  Simple: flick through the catalogue of the UK
> motorbike companies, and compare the range to what is available in Europe
> or the US.  You'll notice the UK catalogue somewhat _thinner_.  So the UK
> market is starved of new models.
> Which is odd because that then fuels the grey import market to satisfy
> the hunger for the newer models.
> Bizarre, but true.
> BTW: I'm not a biker myself, but my Dad is (turned 60 and bought a Yamaha
> Thundercat ... *sheesh*) so I get to hear all the tales... you should have
> heard him swear when I showed him how to browse the web, and he found the
> Yamaha Bikes US site....!
> Anyway, thanks for all the panel comments, I'll be posting a summary
> soon(ish).
> Neil
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