Macintosh PCB Software FREE Re: [sdiy] Schematic to PCBproblems

Theo t.hogers at
Tue Jun 4 06:52:48 CEST 2002

Ok Harry here you go ;^)

Auto routing can save you lots a time and can make great dual sided PCBs.
BUT the process is not as automatic as the name suggest.
Fist off you _have_ to do the power structure by hand.
After that the autorouter can help you with routing selected nets between
selected components.

Most obvious place to start using the autorouter is for data and address
Don't over do it, 2 or 3 ICs at the time is the way to go.
When you got the feel for it, you can start using it on strategic parts of
analogue circuits.
Usually  I end up shoving the traces the autorouter did,
often you can reduce a via or 2 (make that 10) and make place for
"unroutable" traces.

<liar mode>
Harry I just accessed you HD to check your layout program and saw you're
using Electronic workbench/Ultiboard.
(No I didn't access your HD, I just keep track ALL the programs ALL the list
members use)
</liar mode> ;^P

The auto router provided with EWB is quite usable.
For analogue stuff try to let it route limited area (square inch) of the
chances are you will have to fix up a thing or two,
but still will be done quicker that doing it all by hand.

Theo (using autorouters since 1987)

From: harry <harrybissell at>

> Arrrh now you went and said the dirty word....
> Most programs do not excel at autorouting, even very expensive ones.
> If you are doing an all-digital design you might get away with it. For
> analog work, designs are done largely by hand (human brain).
> Autorouters need a lot of knowledge and experience to set up, you usually
> have to specify the routing of critical components. They usually NEVER
> in a single sided board... SELDOM result in a Double Sided board... so
> you will end up with a four layer ($$$) board, at least.
> The other problem is it can be hard for a newbie to spot when an
> is hosing them. They will occasionally route stupid things like zig-zags
> spirals
> that no human being would conceive or tolerate. For digital it might be
> fo
> analog it will be crosstalk, distortion, oscillation, rf pickup, etc.
> There are  lots of people on this list who could probably help you get
> in manual routing.  Start with some really simple project to get the idea.
> if
> you want to get an autorouter you'll be better equipped to deal with it. I
> give you some tips if you like (offlist) or if there are other beginners
> could do a bit
> of an onlist class.  It would probably benefit a lot of folks out there...
> (and the xperts can have fun flaming me and saying what an @ss I am and
> they would do it different / better... but what the hell ????)
> H^) harry    (self proclaimed xpert)
> Hallvard Tangeraas wrote:
> > At 15:40 -0700 03-06-02, Cynthia Webster wrote:
> >
> > >Hej pa dej Hallvard!
> >
> > Hi there! Are you Swedish?
> >
> > >Try This link for Free Mac PCB trace Software!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I've downloaded it and have also been in touch with the author for
> > suggestions on improvement. It actually even works on my old 68040 power
> > Macintosh computer!
> >
> > As I've never used electronics design software before the learning curve
> > pretty high, but I spent a while some months ago trying to figure out
> > basics. I still have a lot to learn, but I'm getting there (hopefully).
> >
> > Unfortunately I don't think this program will help in this case. I have
> > feeling I need some sort of software where you draw the schematics, then
> > have it automatically "convert" it into a PCB layout with the best
> > placement of parts. Is this what they call "autorouting"?
> >
> > >ps: there's also this alternative with Douglas for $
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, i've downloaded this as well, but I don't know if it will do what I
> > want it to. All of this stuff seems pretty complicated. I've already
> > so much time on each of these programs, each with a very high
> > learning-curve, only to find out later that it's not somethign I can
> > Frustrating.
> > But you think this is what I need to be able to make that
> >
> > Hallvard
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