[sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator

[John L Marshall]

If opamps are used, might as well replace the diodes with a 1495 or 1496. 


Take care,
John
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Pacific Northwest DIY Synthesizer meeting, July 20, 2002
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "patchell" <patchell at silcom.com>
To: <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator


>     While transformers are a must for RF work, they are not needed in the
> audio range.  A little clever design you should be able to come up with a
> circuit that just uses opamps...or course, there is the caveat that this
> will sound different.
> 
> cyborgzero at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I wonder if it would be worth it to wind your own xformer? Perhaps use
> > a toroid instead of a straight core?
> >
> > I have wound my own xformers for quite a few projects, and, IMHO,
> > sometimes it seems to end up having better results than when I have
> > sat around waiting for weeks for a particular part, only to be
> > somewhat dissapointed by the replacement and go back to my
> > handwound...
> >
> > I have piles of TDK ferrite toroids laying around here. ;) Mostly
> > pulled from TV chassis at work, and they are ripe for the wrapping. ;)
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John L Marshall" <john.l.marshall at gte.net>
> > To: <cyborgzero at comcast.net>; "Synth (E-mail)"
> > <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator
> >
> > > One technique to improve rejection is to use transformers with split
> > > windings instead of center tapped windings. If the windings are
> > bifilar, two
> > > wires in parallel, then the inductance and capacitance will be
> > nearly
> > > identical. But if the windings are not bifilar, split windings will
> > still
> > > still help.
> > >
> > > Where the center tap ought to be, put a small trim pot (50 ohms).
> > Attach
> > > each trim pot end to each winding and the wiper becomes the new
> > center tap.
> > > Do this for each transformer.
> > >
> > > Adjusting for minimum feedthrough will be a challenge.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > > John
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------
> > > Pacific Northwest DIY Synthesizer meeting, July 20, 2002
> > > See: www.sound-photo.com
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <cyborgzero at comcast.net>
> > > To: "Synth (E-mail)" <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, I am *definitely* interested in this two diode ring approach,
> > > > since the key issue with passives is they fact that they have a
> > > > problem with carrier rejection. Anything that would increase that
> > > > would be good in my book. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve Begin" <Steve.Begin at pwgsc.gc.ca>
> > > > To: "Synth (E-mail)" <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:29 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Awesome!  I found a 42TL028 transformer on mouser.com hopefully
> > that
> > > > is the
> > > > > same thing.  I will try to order a few. Thanks a lot!
> > > > >
> > > > > How is the second diode ring connected in the design you have?
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Begin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ian [mailto:deviant at custard.org]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:55 PM
> > > > > To: Steve Begin
> > > > > Cc: Synth (E-mail)
> > > > > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Passive Ring Modulator
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > > I have a boxful of ringmods much like this sitting on my desk
> > right
> > > > now! I
> > > > > haven't had a chance to try them out yet, but other people who
> > have
> > > > tried
> > > > > them say they sound great. The design I have was given to me by
> > a
> > > > > colleague, and it comes from the Amateur Radio Relay League
> > > > handbook. It
> > > > > differs slightly from the one on sonicstate, as it has two diode
> > > > rings,
> > > > > which is supposed to provide better carrier rejection than the
> > > > single
> > > > > diode ring design. As for the transformers, the ringmods I have
> > use
> > > > one
> > > > > from Mouser, marked TL028 down one side and 0109S down the
> > other.
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Steve Begin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, I'm new to the list, not new to analog (am I gonna get in
> > > > trouble if I
> > > > > > spell it like that?)
> > > > > >  gear, but fairly inexperienced when it comes to circuitry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've got a question, has anybody had any experience with a
> > passive
> > > > ring
> > > > > > modulator design like this one?
> > > > > > http://www.sonicstate.com/synthfool/ringmod.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm interested in it since it looks very easy to make and
> > cheap
> > > > and if it
> > > > > > doesn't work as well as other designs it doesn't bother me
> > that
> > > > much.
> > > > > > However,  I guess the stancor a-4713 driver transformers are
> > no
> > > > longer in
> > > > > > production and I can't seem to find anything information on
> > them
> > > > at all,
> > > > > let
> > > > > > alone a reference to a part I could use as a substitute.
> > > > > > I'd really appreciate it if somebody could give me any
> > direction
> > > > at all
> > > > > > here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The other thing I was wondering about (and I'm sure it's
> > probably
> > > > > painfully
> > > > > > obvious to a lot of you) was half or full normalled patch
> > bays.
> > > > When you
> > > > > > split a signal doesn't it affect the impedance or something
> > along
> > > > those
> > > > > > lines?  I thought it would be a bad thing to do but I haven't
> > seen
> > > > anybody
> > > > > > mention any problems with that.
> > > > > > How about combining signals without a mixer?  I'm almost
> > positive
> > > > you get
> > > > > > problems doing that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve Begin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> 
> --
>  -Jim
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