OT-""Press DELETE"" old TB303 essay, Adolf Stalin etc etc.

Mon Dec 25 19:31:38 CET 2000

Hi!

This is my last posting in regard
to the bynow old TB hassle and stress.

I had hoped that the issue was over and done but no!

If you dont want to read about this one more
time press the **DELETE** butom right now...

Since Jurgen now in a private email kindly has declared
that he has no intentions (as far as i can understand)
to discuss this matter any further i in return feel
forced to answer his questions he has been asked by
writing this reply.

But since he as it seams, tries, likes, attempts, or
whatever, to be the diy lists own "Geshäft Fhurer"
(my own guess) and now are offering some free of charge
"protection package" including flogging insurance to
prioritized diy list "employees"(me) i put this reply
back to the public since it can be of public interest
to know that he also recognizes his mistakes and his
*real* intention of his former TB303 complaint email
since the whole issue made stir at DIY list.

This because it can be of consolation for those who
asked relevant contra questions to Juergens email
about the TB essay in the first place not knowing
his real intentions about the email and who then
got complaint emails from other by doing what they did.

This email can be interpreted to be childish, cryptic
dumb, whatever as much as juergens reply is but i
simply don't care. But, with one exeption, i will
not be a *coward* as he has clearly declare himself
to be in the previous email to this one, and in this
one for that matter..

The *whole real* issue was about Adolf Stalin as a
alias name and not about the TB essay. In my opinion
it was a way to kick my ass in a mean way my by
including it in a legally correct email about a
small technical miss of me about that he in reality
was offended by Adolf Stalin as a alias name which
in turn creates Juergen into a coward by doing so.

I don't having problem taking kicks in my ass, no
more or less then other people are able to accept
that up to a certain limit off course, but i never
have said that i don't give back the same amount
of butt kicking.

There are people in this list who claim themselves
to be open minded, having high tolerance thresholds,
preachers of free speech, and directly speaking.
As it seams(as usuall) those who claim so are those
who in reality has the least of mentioned gifts.
Which is sad to see. (as usuall)

Replies made to this email containing dumb and
nonsense garbage i simply *DO* use the delete
function.

Allso i have been informed that Adolf is/was a wery
common and popular name on horses and that Stalin
is a common name in Georgia(Ussr)!!

And all extra bla, bla, nonsense talk from me.

Thank you and regards.
Kallkorvismörpapper.

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********PRESS DELETE NOW*************

Stop!!! you can be close to be offended, press """DELETE"".

.............. *YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED*..............

You are now close to read the email, i will
not debate nonsense issues about this email
and its contents.

................Hassle and stress starts here.............

>>It took you 7,5 stinky hours Juergen to get an enemy!

>This is a sad thing.

Sad? Yes its sad that you prefer to be a *coward* then
to be what you have said earlier a *directly talking* person.

(claimed in previous email by JH, not posted in public)

That's what i meant with an enemy. But if you like to be
that its fine with me, im just point it out to you.

>>Yes, i have been reading DIY almost since the list
>>appered,you have been *subbed* to the list since it
>>appered,over those years **not one single time**
>>have i crittiziced any of *your efforts* in public.

>This is true. I appreciate discussion about my errors, though.
>I was glad when Jörgen B. prooved my Serge-inspired OTA
>linearizing method wrong. It helped me to learn something.

Sidetrack. Sometimes it's really pointless to discuss
with you, you know!

>>>That is not the issue, the issue is about that you
>>>didnt give me the slightest chanse to fix the error
>>>out by my self,no you just you had your *complaint*
>>>email *straight out* to the diy list.

>>>(And this reply of mine is off-list, too.)
>>Do i hear some sort of **threath's** here??

>No, the contrary. I don't want you to be flogged in public.

Thank you wery much, spare me your caringness, become a
teacher in a public school instead, that would be of much
greater importance. Or why don't you go to the haupt banhof
in east Berlin to protect civilian train travelers from
constantly being beaten up and even killed by neonatsiz.
Or flogged as you say.

>>Saying this openly on the DIY with its undertone as
>>it has, and not forgetting the stars sourunded the
>>analog master word in the begining of your email i
>>can clearly see it lifted up from the shades with the
>>understanding of:
>>"Look here people,here is a dude who calls him self"
>>"the analog master, but what an idiot he is, he has"
>>"been reading the synth DIY list for years and "still"
>>"cant explain/understand basic filter design!! And he"
>>"has putted the whole thing as to be an myth, what an"
>>"idiot he is!"

>The "analogue master" was a direct quote from your essay,
>wasn't it ?

:To those who happens to read this email;

Since you don't know the contents of previous emails
between Juergen and (now) Kallkorvismörpapper
(formerly,Adolf Stalin, then Idi Amin) my lines above
is a reply on a reply talking about the complaint
email from juergen about my essay.Now its here where
juergen gets confirmed about that i have stepped into
his nice trap, he later in the same email confirmed
that the *REAL* issue about his complaint email
was about he being offended by the usage of
Adolf Stalin as a alias name.Since we all know
that by now my previous above quoted reply are
no more of relevance.

>The way something is presented determines the way criticism
>is applied. If you're writing "these are my thoughts, I may
>be wrong" you well get more friendly corrections than
>when you're writing "the analog master speaks" and "all you heard before 
>are myths - here comes the truth."
>(I'm paraphrasing on the second one.)

What you say is of total irrelevance since the real issue
was about a way to complain about Adolf Stalin as a alias name.

>I would have been more decent in my reaction nevertheless
>(because I have not the slightest negative personal feelings
>against you), if it wasn't for that Dictator mail shortly
>beforehand, where you used some very rude language.
>You may not be aware of it, but it does hurt other people.

If you would have the feelings as you are saying
you *suddenly* having now, then you wouldn't be
a coward and would have been talking directly as
you have claimed you to do, in previous emails.

Once again, as i have said to other, i say to you
again, explain *why* it offends you? Besides, why
don't you put some efforts and complain about Idi
Amin? Maybe Idi Amin was a less worse dictator then
Adolf Stalin? And how come that you didn't complain
about Augusto Pinoche? Maybe you make selection on
the worst person to complain about?

>I had no inclination to discuss *that* with you,
>so I thought I'd slightly increase the level of
>directness on my criticism. That's all there is
>and was, honestly.

Dear Juergen, honestly dosent do when *flatter* is
on and about, besides it doesn't matter what you
say now since (once again) your real intention was
to use a legal email as a way for a complaint email
about Adolf Stalin, therefore i don't really understand
your thinking about directness, *if* you really had
been talking in straight directness you would have the
*courage* to explain *why* you didn't like the Adolf
Stalin alias name.

You are not dumb, or are you? But *why* do i have to
repeat this so many times? I thought we had come to
the conclusion that the whole issue was about alias
Adolf Stalin? Right? Maybe you are afraid of the alias
name Adolf Stalin?
Booohooohoo, the mixed alias name will come and eat you up!!

>If you hate me for that, so be it.

Hate? Yet another Mr Haible conclusion built on
assumptions. Offended, yes for a second or two,
but in reality the word upset would be more
appropriate.

>I am sad that I have taken this "shortcut" - I really thought
>you would get the connection. I'm sad about my pretension
>to "give lessons", too. It doesn't pay off, it makes enemies
>instead.

I did not get the connection straight ahead, but i was quite
suspicious and wanted a confirmation on my suspiciousness
about your real intention, therefore i waited to see your
replies, besides its to late, besides again, you was aware
about the whole issue from the beginning.

>>Thank you very much Mr besserwisser!

>I can cope with that. I will not return the insult.

If you find it as an insult you can always argue about it!

>>>Hey, the "apology" was as much of a mockery as the "offense".

>>A apology in privat is wery easy to say but its a completely
>>differnet thing to really mean it. But what is going on
>>here actually? Are you trying to run some sort of mockery
>>thing on *my behalf*??

>I am trying to bring it back to a fun level. We can be dead
>serious about everything, our egos, our errors, our ethics.
>No one will look very good afterwards. See the people
>complaining about the bad SNR on the list. Or we can take
>it as mockery, and show that one who is dealing blows can
>also take a blow now and then.

OK, as you say, this very email is at fun level or its
a mockery blowing back to you. Its up to you and other
what it is.

>>Trying to be a *wise guy* by nestling in a completely
>>different subject from "another" email that *you*
>>hapen to disslike into this email

>Yes, that's what I did. I would not do it again, now that
>I see what came from it.

Thank you for verifying that you are a coward.

>>shows me only
>>you are a covard and trying to flatten out that
>>you made misstake..

>Nah. (Ignoring the "coward" insult.)
>I honored you with a comment and correction.
>That's more than many people get from me.

Oh dear, oh dear, having problem with your ego again i suppose!
But still i think you are a coward. The rest is just impossible
to give a decent reply to!

>This "completely different subject" had an influence
>insofar as the correction was less merciful - yes.
>I made a mistake. I should not have taken care of that
>whole affair at all. Ignore misinformation, and ignore
>offending mails between other list members. Who am I ?
>Some sort of synth-diy police ?? Surely not.

Well, your plan worked all right, i went into the trap,
you are pleased for a moment or two, some are pleased,
and some people are not very pleased, all it has created
in the final end is lesser tolerance levels and two
different sides in opinions (as usual) it also resulted
in that I took down all my pages, lost interest into
contribute which is a loss to those who actually found
interesting bits and pieces in my contributions, and im also
aware that some are pleased that the shit is taken away.
And to that i simply ignore.

Besides that, diy police? No not really, a geshäft fhurer?
well, one can interpret that to be so.!?

>>Do you really think that *i* would care about *your
>>reputation* on the list when you made me into the
>>*general dumb ass* loud and clear at the Dlist!

>Dumb ass ? Certainly not. You're amomgst the better
>contributors, technical speaking, to the list for sure.
>You can quote me on that, and from our previous discussions on the list 
>about several topics *everybody*
>should know that.

That was not the issue, gosh im quite bored by your
attempts of flattering and side tracking.The issue was
that you was concerned about your reputation on the
diy list. Why do you bother? I simply cant understand!

>So, not dumb ass. How about "rude" ? Talking directly
>without care about too much politeness ? Does that
>fit ?

Well, for your info, some days ago i was looking for
info about the Prophet 600 on the net and did a request
on a couple of search engines, and i was quite suppressed
to see a long email from this american explain about the
P600 as in a reply to this *other* persons opinions.

And what was the suprice! Well the reply was directed
to a certain *Mr Juergen Haible* who at the end of this
email expressed his *complaints* about the American being
*RUDE*!!! Then the American simply answered Mr Haible:
That Mr Haible had a lot to learn about americans!!!
Well, quite interesting that email was from 1996 and didn't
contain any rudiety, still you haven't learn a thing, still
wheeling around the internet and accusing people for being
rude? So, me being a dumb ass or rude dude what about a
"coward" for you , would that fit?

>>Gosh, i had no idea that you was so ego tripped!

>It's good to be reminded.

I see!
(juergen explaining why he is more concerned about his-)
reputation at the diy list then his ability to making
other people into look like dumb asses in public.)

>>and who's trying to cover up his sorry ass in private
>>by having his public mouth shout up to silencing out
>>that he made a rude mistake on the cost of me?

>Don't get a wrong impression. I'm protecting *you*
>by not dragging this further into public.

Don't get a wrong impression. No one on the diy list
wants your "mafia" like protection. Maybe you should
be a teacher at a public school instead? (seriously)

>I think that first public criticism of mine was enough.

Off course it was enough, because you now know your
plan indeed did work since i have confirmed it did.

>I have no intention to pull this any further, no intention
>to make enemies and such. I really expected you would take
>it less seriously.

Once again ,off course you wouldn't have any interest to
pull this further, since your plan did indeed work since
i have confirmed it did.

>There is no "threat" in all of this, either.

OK, i see, its just the teaching thing again, right?

>JH.

Reg
KallKorviSmörPapper.
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