Commercial Rip-offs (spanking)

[Harry Bissell]

Questions of ethics...

I produced the "PV-1" based on a Bob Moog design, with his permission. I
did modify the design, and the basic technique is not new. I have a similar
circuit in my 360 sys slavedriver, and made an ultrasonic rangefinder based
on the same principle...

Bob Moog published his schematic in the Etherwave Manual. I didn't get it
from the web..
but who cares. I asked his permission (though I am not legally required to
do so) because it is the right thing to do. I'm assimilating (hehheh) a
known proven circuit to base my work on... so even though its now "mine"...
I owe a debt of gratitude to the original designer. (thanks.. Bob!)

Bob Moog gave permission with the stipulation that I identify the "source
of the circuit" and that I have "uesd it with permission". He didn't ask
for any Royalties (which of course he wouldn't get as the project will lose
money for sure...). I'm sure he understood it would lose money, and thats
why he didn't produce it himself...

We have here a blueprint for one ethical transfer of technology. There are
others. Like the JH/MOTM agreement. as JH put it... "if I wanted money I'd
have a real job (stock market etc...)"

So I think we need to remember that none of OUR circuits exist in a
vaccuum, they are based on those who came before (e-notes etc...) so we
should stay humble... and not take things that aren't ours and deny the
original designer the credit... becuase credit is all the compensation they
will ever get (well maybe a cup of coffee too...).

I did check out the Doepfer site last night... I'm still shocked. Maybe an
apology to this list might be ethical... I'd like to see something like "no
legal action (hah) in return for the acknowledgement that "Mr XXX or Site
XXX provided inspiration for the design"

H^)

tomg wrote:

> oops!...did I start something? sorry...I wish I could type in really
> tiny letters....I feel rather small....I didn't want to start anything
> that would be bad for the list and this is bad...my wife says I'm
> an asshole when my blood sugar is low and that's most of the
> time because I'm always building synth stuff instead of eating or
> sleeping...or anything else really..;-) I used to watch baseball,
> go to movies... a lot of stuff I don't do much of anymore. Well
> I did go to be ballpark already this year...love those Braves!
>
> If someone produces something and they got the idea from
> something I posted in an open forum well....that's not stealing.
> It's not nice but it's not stealing.
>
> I don't think that I would produce JH or PAiA knock-offs
> but that's just me. If  it's someone's active product I might
> build me one but I wouldn't post it to the list or build a EFM
> module out of it. Not everyone feels that way and there is no
> real obligation to. So I'm not pointing any fingers anywhere. It's
> just in the future I'll need to be a little more careful. I am much
> better these days and some of the new stuff would be a really
> nice addition to someone's product line. It's not like I can
> actually stop or leave the list again or something!!  There are
> days when I wonder why I do it but most of the time I know
> it's because I wouldn't have it any other way.
>
> So relax everybody (especially Harry), I didn't mean to get you
> worked up..;-)
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> > I've had it with this shit !!!
> >
> > Any manufacturer that rips off a list member must be spanked !!!
> >
> > I propose the following... If anyone has schematics of an offending
> > company's synth product... send me a copy. I volunteer to re-draw
> > it... (to avoid copyright infringement issue) and post it back to the
> > list...
> >
> > Maybe there could be other volunteers...
> >
> > So (mf's) we are "outing" you.  If you take without permission... we
> > will give away YOUR ideas without permission. What do you think of
> > that....
> >
> > Any comments on this idea ???
> >
> > H^)
> >