Romeo said if I added cross fade it might be the perfect lfo... so I added cross fade. Paul, I know it's not what you're looking for but it works well, might be worth considering.. I switched to 3280s because I found a bunch I put back, also tested 600/700s while I was at it. Insert the ota of your choice. -tg http://www.mindspring.com/~vco/cbook/pics/lfo3b_sd.gif