Thanks go to Romeo for sending me a tri to saw converter. I Tried the 3O8O sine converter but went with the one (Format?) I used on the 4A. The 5A now has tri,square,pulse,saw and sine outputs. Page http://www.tomg.vivid.net/maxx/page_037.html Waveshaper http://www.tomg.vivid.net/maxx/pics/vco5a_3.gif -tg