Space Echo sound on sound

Haible Juergen Juergen.Haible at
Fri Nov 21 14:15:45 CET 1997


Wasn't there a Space Echo that could do Sound-On-Sound ?
I have the RE-201 model, which cannot do it.

I tried to short the erease head (with 470 Ohm to prevent damage),
and I got the desired loooong delay (30sec.) indeed.
But this also disables the HF bias for the recording head, and
so new sounds go to the tape distorted. Sure, I could control the
HF current to the erease head *only*, but then, wouldn't the HF bias
in the recording head still partly erease the previous material ???
(not at all sure about that - anybody knows for sure?)

Before I go on experimenting, I need schematics of commercial units
that have this feature built-in. Preferably Roland models, if there are
but others are welcome too. What would I have to look for?


PS.: This was a mail I sent to Looper's Delight - I thought I include it
it was:


I think I should build a switch into my Roland RE-201 Space to disable
the HF oscillator that feeds the earease head.

The RE-201 is a tape echo with a tape loop of a few meters. It's
intended to
produce short echoes with a distance of a few centimeters between record
and playback heads; the long loop is just to prevent the tape from
out too soon.

Which makes me think of several modifications:

(1) disable the earease head. Would add new sound to old sound (after
      the _long_ delay of the whole tape length), but no idea to which
      compared with previous recordings. (?)

(2) probably it would be an improovement to make the hf current thru the
      erease head _variable_, and fade previously stored signals out by
      partially deleting it. (Again, no idea what this would do to
      response or distortion of a partly ereased signal ... any clues ?)

(3) Now this would be a tough one (and I think I would not dare to do
      this to my "mint condition vintage space echo" (;->) ): Exchange
      the location of the heads:
      (a) original order: tape comes from storage box,
                                     passes erease head,
                                     passes recording head,
                                     passes several playback heads,
                                     dissapears into storage box.
      (b) suggested new order:
                                     tape comes from storage box,
                                     passes playback head and (plays
what has been rcorded
                                          half a minute before)
                                     passes erease head,
                                     passes recording head,
                                     passes remaining playback heads
(still usable for normal echo
                                          operation, only with one tap
less than before)
                                     dissapears into storage box.

This last one looks *very* tempting ! The feedback would then be
electronically, with all its accuracy and possibillities. (I love to put
my latest
toy, a frequency shifter, into a delay's feedback loop !).

Please tell me what you think.
Things like that must have been done before! Especially (3) would be
Anybody to share his experience ?


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