<div dir="ltr">Whatever the common "chorus" effect produces, it certainly isn't anything remotely like an actual chorus.<div>I suspect that replacing the regular LFO with a 1/F (fractal) noise at low frequency would be much more plausible.</div><div><br></div><div>paul perry Melbourne Australia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 7:49 AM Tom Wiltshire <<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net">tom@electricdruid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 16 Jun 2026, at 21:21, Gordonjcp <<a href="mailto:gordonjcp@gjcp.net" target="_blank">gordonjcp@gjcp.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>On Tue, Jun 16, 2026 at 02:20:42PM +0100, Tom Wiltshire wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I've spent a long time wondering about how the LFO waveshape relates to the final pitch shift you get when modulating a BBD clock, as you would in a Chorus or Flanger circuit. Or even a delay-based analogue vibrato, come to that.<br><br>I recently managed to get some interactive demonstrations done, which I think make the whole thing a lot easier to understand. Here's the finished article. Perhaps some of you will find it interesting.<br><br><a href="https://electricdruid.net/weird-wiggles-bbd-clock-modulation/" target="_blank">https://electricdruid.net/weird-wiggles-bbd-clock-modulation/</a> <<a href="https://electricdruid.net/weird-wiggles-bbd-clock-modulation/" target="_blank">https://electricdruid.net/weird-wiggles-bbd-clock-modulation/</a>><br><br>Any thoughts, comments, or error-spotting appreciated.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Tom<br></blockquote><br>So where does that actually happen? The chorus in the Juno 106 at least is modulated with a triangle wave at the same amplitude and one of two speeds, and gives a very distinct pitch shift - but that shift is dead steady, sharp/flat/sharp/flat deedaahdeedaah like a toy police car.</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. "Where does that happen?"...Where does <i>what</i> happen?! It happens in the circuit, right?!</div><div><br></div><div>If I'm interpreting you correctly, I think that if you play with the sim, setting the LFO waveform to triangle, and the delay stages to something short (is it 256 or 512 in the Juno? I don't remember without looking it up) and most importantly set the modulation type to "Linear Period", you'll see a "deedahdeedah" pitch shift. It seems a lot like realising modulation of the clock <i>period</i> rather than the <i>frequency</i> was what gave Roland the edge in the chorus world. Given that, increasing the clock frequency/shortening the delay reduces the pitch shift. Lowering the clock frequency/lengthening the delay increases the pitch shift. Changing the LFO Frequency or Depth also has an effect. The sim shows the differences.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://electricdruid.net/modulated-bbd-delay-simulation/" target="_blank">https://electricdruid.net/modulated-bbd-delay-simulation/</a></div><div><br></div><div>T.</div></div>________________________________________________________<br>
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