<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">The 7450 ic was a CMOS 4017 ic in the units I looked at. It’s just a decade counter with a diode network not unlike the kind you would see with old Keio or Acetone machines. The hi hat sound is hardwired to the clock.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Benjamin Tremblay</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 25, 2025, at 12:04 PM, Doug Forbes via Synth-diy <synth-diy@synth-diy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>I think what you're looking at is a 4017 decade counter with a
bunch of diodes doing the decode for what ever rhythm is selected.</p>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Interestingly enough I can't seem to find such an IC on my unit, PCB picture attached. The IC on the left is the 4017 clock divider. It seems they have replaced the rhythm chip with discrete diode logic in that unit tho.
On November 25, 2025 1:05:05 PM UTC, Tom Wiltshire <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net"><tom@electricdruid.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">I've heard of the MM5871, M252, and M253, but never the SN7450.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-197604/57604">https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-197604/57604</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-197604/57604"><https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-197604/57604></a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datasheet4u.com/datasheets/National-Semiconductor/MM5871/606055">https://datasheet4u.com/datasheets/National-Semiconductor/MM5871/606055</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://datasheet4u.com/datasheets/National-Semiconductor/MM5871/606055"><https://datasheet4u.com/datasheets/National-Semiconductor/MM5871/606055></a>
I can't find *anything* about the SN7450. It makes some sense though - there were other SN-series chips which were for sound generation, like the SN76489 programmable sound generator, used in the BBC microcomputer amongst other places.
It's a mysterious IC!
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The "7450" is a specialised rhythm generator chip
Not a 74xx logic chip
It sends pulse out information to the switches and so on.
I don't have any photos of the insides of mine, and the videos I have on youtube were shot with a potato
The schematic I had is really quite incomplete
But, for modifying the voices, it should help.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 at 13:59, brianw <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brianw@audiobanshee.com">brianw@audiobanshee.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brianw@audiobanshee.com"><mailto:brianw@audiobanshee.com></a>> wrote:
I can't tell what it does without pin numbers for the SN7450. That's a dual AND-OR-INVERT package, so I'm not really sure what they've set it up to do.
The 50K control in the schematic, lower left, sets the tempo, but the faceplate shows what appears to be a stepped attenuator rather than a potentiometer.
Brian
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So... it actually only ever plays at ONE tempo, but you get divisions of that tempo?
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Hi David and group
I got one of these machines about 12 years ago
And it came with the following documentation.
I have a unit somewhere in my garage here in Australia.
It's missing the to half of the lid I think, but has all the circuitry
If it'd help you out, I can try and find it over the weekend and we can arrange postage
Pretty sure this schematic will help!
//Edward
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Hi,
I have a AK Drummer (CRM-260) Rhythm Machine and I am looking for a schematic.
I searched the web high and low. I figured out that this was also sold under the names Conrad CRM‑260 or CORT CRM-260 in what seems to be identical devices (apart from the different manufacturer logo).
I found a 10 year old youtube video where someone has moded the thing, but there is no description and in a comment from 5 years ago they say the documentation has been lost.
Does anyone know a thing?
All the best,
David/atoav
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