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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe it’s not MIDI. Maybe it’s malformed (serial) data or noise that some MIDI receivers just toss and others get corrupted by. I would use one of those cheap logic analyzers
or a scope to see what’s really on the wires.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean-Pierre Desrochers via Synth-diy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2025 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'H.Sergio Alves' <theatomlabspt@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'SYNTH DIY' <synth-diy@synth-diy.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here is a very small MIDI-OX snapshot of what my player send as MIDI datas..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And at the end
<b>All Notes Off</b> message when I stop my motors..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New"">00021F06 2 -- 91 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F07 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F0B 2 -- 91 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F0C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F10 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F31 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F33 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F6A 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021F95 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021FBB 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021FF3 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00021FFF 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022000 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022003 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002202A 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022051 2 -- 91 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022078 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022087 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002208B 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002208C 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 000220B0 2 -- 91 47 7F 2 B 4 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 000220CF 2 -- 81 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 000220D0 2 -- 81 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022106 2 -- 81 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022117 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022140 2 -- 91 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002214A 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002214B 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002214C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022150 2 -- 91 17 7F 2 B 0 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022151 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022158 2 -- 91 23 7F 2 B 1 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022164 2 -- 91 53 7F 2 B 5 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002216D 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022173 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002217A 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 000221A9 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022316 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002231F 2 -- 81 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022326 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002232B 2 -- 81 23 7F 2 B 1 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002232C 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002232D 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 0002232E 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022330 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022331 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022335 2 -- 81 17 7F 2 B 0 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022336 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Courier New""> 00022380 2 -- B1 7B 00 2 --- CC: All Notes Off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> H.Sergio Alves <<a href="mailto:theatomlabspt@gmail.com">theatomlabspt@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> 30 octobre 2025 14:23<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:jpdesroc@oricom.ca">jpdesroc@oricom.ca</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> John Speth <<a href="mailto:johnspeth@yahoo.com">johnspeth@yahoo.com</a>>; SYNTH DIY <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">Have you tried midi ox to monitor what’s being sent? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA">On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 18:20, Jean-Pierre Desrochers via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My program only outputs the following MIDI datas:</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NOTE ON (paper hole detected)</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NOTE OFF (paper hole finished)</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ALL NOTES OFF (when rewinding my paper rolls only. Never else)</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So there is no ‘big’ MIDI traffic involved here to the Sonar MIDI input.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But the number of voices can go up to around 20 in some parts<br>
of songs but rarely. Mostly around 10-15 notes played at the same time.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike Briant asked:</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
</span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">What else is on the USB connectors of the PC ? Anything else taking lots of bandwidth (a USB3->HDMI display for example ?)</span></i></b><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I use a 5 pins DIN MIDI connector to my Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB device.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No other USB devices used on my PC during MIDI recordings.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I tried using only
<b>Note</b>s and remove <b>System Exclusive</b> from the<br>
‘authorized’ record datas.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It improved the recorded datas but still some lags inserted<br>
here and there..</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Synth-diy
<<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org</a>>
<b>De la part de</b> John Speth via Synth-diy<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 30 octobre 2025 11:03<br>
<b>À :</b> SYNTH DIY <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span lang="EN-CA">>> Do the hesitations happen in the same way each time when you start playback? </span></i></b><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Yes. Same way, same places. The lags are recorded on the MIDI track.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR-CA">"</span><span lang="EN-CA">The lags are recorded on the MIDI track."??? Does that mean the gaps are in your recorded event list? If so, that's not a playback problem. That's a recording problem. Your filter is set to record note on/off
and sysex. Does your event list only contain note on/off and sysex? If you change your filter to not record sysex, do you still have valid test conditions for you to see the problem? IOW, if you don't record sysex, will playback be silent because sysex was
needed? Disable sysex recording as a test. There's no lasting harm in doing so I assume.</span><span lang="FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">I think the next step is to monitor MIDI data with a MIDI monitor during recording. There might be some sort of MIDI data clogging up the MIDI stream. MIDI is capacity limited. So, for example, if sysex is constantly being pumped along
with note on/off, you could plausibly see hesitations. Monitor in both directions (if you're using both directions).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">I recently had a Cakewalk experience that showed a bug regarding .MID files. I took an interest in the "Situation" by Yazoo MIDI file. When I loaded it into free Sonar, I had many problems running it (problems I don't remember). I tried
two other .MID files and never had the same problems. I concluded that the Yazoo .MID file contained something that corrupted Cakewalk. I tried the same exercise with Bandlab and noted the same problem. I concluded that there is some sort of bug associated
with some .MID files in Cakewalk and that the this mysterious bug has been around for a while. I would try a different sequencer. You should be able to find at least a few free ones, including online sequencers. The bottom line is: CW has bugs and it probably
always will.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">If you haven't done so yet, install and use MIDI-OX. It's a swiss army knife tool for MIDI. It has a MIDI monitor and will let you confirm your MIDI data that you record has no hesitations by taking Sonar out of the picture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">JJS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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