We do this a lot in most of the audio designs I've worked on. The way we've handled it in the past is very straightforward. We have a digital section and analog section, and separate the ground planes of each section with a moat, and the power supply being in the center of the moat. This preserves star grounding while isolating the noisy digital plane from the quiet analog plane.
<br> Furthermore, we run supply rails for most of the analog since it's fairly small and keeps noise coupling down, while we dedicate 1 or 2 plane layers for the digital side. This design topology allowed me to develop a
3.5" x 5.5" board that has a 200K gate FPGA, a 600MHz PowerPC processor, 64MB of SDRAM and 8MB of flash as well as a 113dB DNR/SNR and -98DB THD+N analog audio subsystem all on the same board. Also, no. I didn't have to put a faraday cage around the analog and/or digital to keep noise away. :-)
<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Joe Grisso<br>Detachment 3 Enterprises<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/21/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Seb Francis</b> <<a href="mailto:seb@burnit.co.uk">seb@burnit.co.uk</a>> wrote:
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">ASSI wrote:<br>> On Freitag, 21. April 2006 02:09, Seb Francis wrote:<br>><br>>> Personally I'm going to try it with it in first. There is local
<br>>> decoupling for the PIC power so any short current spikes should be<br>>> able to come from here rather than from the PSU.<br>>><br>><br>> Colin has it right, the ground return path to the PSU needs to be as low
<br>> inductance as you can help it (hence the need for ground _planes_<br>> instead of ground lines in high-speed circuits). The ferrite beads on<br>> ground connections may only come in handy in situations where you need
<br>> multiple connections between analog and digital ground for local<br>> referencing (like if you have multiple ADC/DAC) or when there is<br>> otherwise no way to keep a strict star topology on your ground<br>
> distribution. Such connection must not carry any supply current anyway.<br>><br>><br>I don't agree with you here, at least not for the application I am<br>talking about. We are talking about a single PIC IC here running at
<br>4MHz with a low-ESR decoupling capacitor right next to it. This is not<br>a large very high speed digital circuit.<br><br>Surely any fast current needs of the PIC are going to be met by the<br>decoupling capacitor and having a ferrite bead in the ground connection
<br>just serves to ensure this, and to ensure that any current spikes are<br>not coupled into the analog parts of the circuit (which is the majority<br>of the board).<br><br>Also, I don't understand how you can keep a strict star topology on your
<br>ground distribution *and* have a ground plane.<br><br>Seb<br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>