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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think you can use the 4538 in this
way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A least the logic table and block diagram in the
data sheet seem to indicate so.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Theo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:t.hogers@home.nl"
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 04, 2002 11:42
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sdiy] 24 --> 48 PPQ
double clock pulse</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry to be a little late on this thread,
but...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Assuming the 24ppq clock was symmetrical, could
you use half a CD4538 and run the clock into both inputs? I think that
should effectively double your pulse rate, although I haven't tried
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the clock is asymmetrical, is there any way to
convert a pulse string to a square wave?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd be interested in the solution to this
problem...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Brown</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:E.B.Smits@chello.nl" title=E.B.Smits@chello.nl>E.B.S.</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sdiy] 24 --> 48 PPQ
double clock pulse</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Assuming the 24ppq pulse is 50% dutycycle
generating a short pulse on very hi/low and low /hi transition as you
propose seems a usable method.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The bad news; most probably your 24ppq
clock pulse is not 50% dutycycle :(</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Therefore IMO your best option might be to use
a PLL circuit like a 4046.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The data sheet will show you the circuit
because this is a typical application for a 4046
:)</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Down side of this solution is that the PLL
might need some time to lock to a (sudden) tempo change.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However when your 24ppq clock is indeed
symmetrical, generating pulses on every transition is indeed a
option.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The advantage would be that is doesn't have
tracking problems when the tempo changes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can do this quite easy with 3 Schmitt
trigger gates like those in the 4093.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The data sheet for the CD4093 on the
Fairchild-semiconductor website shows how to make a negative triggered
"gated one shot".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You need two of these, one you feed with the
24ppq pulse the other with the inverse of the 24ppq pulse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The output of the "one shot" circuits can be
added together with 2 diodes and a 33k resistor to ground where the diodes
meet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Basically you now have your 48ppq pulse,
but it might be a good idea to buffer this signal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One way to do this is to send it though
the left over 4th gate in the 4093</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The 4093 gate inverts the signal therefore
you need to add a second inverting circuit as output
buffer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Otherwise your 48ppq clock would run slightly
"late".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>HTH</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Theo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2002 4:40
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sdiy] 24 --> 48 PPQ
double clock pulse</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just subscribed again after a few years. Is
the list still active? This list helped me great in the past and now
i have a question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last week a bought a Linndrum and
already like it alot. To sync it to other devices there is a clock in and
out. I allready found out it runs on 48 PPQ (pulses per quarter measure).
My problem is that the rest of my drummachines run on 24 PPQ (roland
boxes) so i would like to double the pulse rate.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there a simple circuit that can do this?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I thought of something that outputs a pulse
on the start and end of the 24PPQ pulse but i don't know how to
implement this. Are there any other (better) alternatives? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any help would be much
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks in advance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric (Amsterdam)</FONT></DIV>
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